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thank you for joining us today on the

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chant Hannah show and I have my guest

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co-host altar with us today and I also

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would like for everybody to please go to

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my channels the chant had a show and

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click Subscribe today we have a very

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special show on a course the day of

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introduce the first person is grant

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Cameron I don't believe he actually

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needs an introduction but grant camera

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became involved in your apology in 1975

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with personal sightings of an object

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which locally became known as Charlie

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red star grant has turned his research

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interests to the evolvement involvement

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and actions of the President of the

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United States and the UFO problem one

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highlight his presidential UFO research

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was the chance to question Vice

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President Dick Cheney on his knowledge

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of the UFO subject his research has

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yielded a thousand pages of UFO

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documents from the Clinton

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administration grant is working on

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producing monographs for dr. Walker

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involvement in the topic of psychic

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phenomena and a monograph looking at a

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possible disclosure pattern to try and

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explain the many actions of the American

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government related to UFOs during the

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last 50 years he is also working on a

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detailed paper detailing the 64 reasons

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the government is covering up the et

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UFOs mj-12 and the government tales of

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my next guest is Irina and the cabmen

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Granny's of John Purdue she has a PhD in

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physiology Irina was on the mouflon

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investigator for Koufos she's also on

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the board of the SCU the scientific

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coalition if you apology books she's

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Roswell Patil I'm sir it's dr. J Allen

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Hynek and UFO cover-ups

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researcher currently serving as a board

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new AP studies the scientific coalition

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of UF ology Jeff Crouse is the state

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director of MUFON of Southern California

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president/ceo MUFON of Los Angeles

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state's section director of MUFON Los

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tri-county member of the neutron star

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team and a MUFON field and get

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investigator Earl Grey he's a chief

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investigator she field investigator of

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generation he's been a lifelong sci-fi

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him to give a little bit of his

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biography during the show and so I just

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did I did I cover everybody there by the

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everybody except when we think a Jeff

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welcome everybody

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onto the show thank you for being on the

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chanter show today thanks for having us

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thank you thank you so much

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greetings earthlings even you Earl grant

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I wanted to get something out of the way

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of regarding a Joe firmage and the

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National Space Council recently did a

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post regarding Joe firmage claiming that

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he was the president of the National

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Space Council do you mind maybe going

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into that a little bit yeah sure do I

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may keep going to it are you gonna go

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into it well I'd love to hear a comment

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from you on it

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if you don't okay as I explained a

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little bit earlier there is no leaked

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document March to 26 was the national

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space council meeting I heard from

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somebody it wasn't Joe firmage that he

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I really didn't realize what it was at

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that point so for the month I sat there

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and then I suddenly heard from some of

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the people around firmage that this was

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going to happen there was also the

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discussion about the lawsuit with caveat

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lawsuit had to be settled there was

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going to be this release I knew about

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this a long time before so I sort of

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happened was Joe firmage posted a press

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release on his LinkedIn site there is no

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leaked document there's no no conspiracy

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he's got it on his LinkedIn site you can

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still go there the press release is

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still there and he's making the claim

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that there's a new position that he's

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been appointed to and he has posted five

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new documents after that that sort of

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explained his thing match having a

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meeting with another researcher tonight

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who's talking to you who talked to Joe

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yesterday we really don't know what the

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heck he's talking about he's explained

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it to me he asked for a phone call at a

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video conference with Joe firmage he

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basically told me to back off that my

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posting had caused now what was the word

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he used a dust-up and I said fine I will

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sort of back away from this thing and

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then people started to leak other

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material which I'm not too sure is

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disinformation or it's it's always the

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way this whole thing works is you always

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have two different stories that conflict

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with each other so that you have camps

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fighting with each other so there's been

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some material that was leaked to me

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giving another explanation of what's

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going on I've been told by certain

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people who probably know that you should

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leave this alone but Joe is up to

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something Joe has posted the stuff he's

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got a lot of very high profile people

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who are following him and I've followed

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all this stuff I stated the lawsuit was

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going to end it did end on the 20 the

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25th the press release is on the 23rd

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there was a story that the press that

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the kiveat lawsuit had be settled before

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they would make this announcement

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so whatever Joe is up to I'm not sure

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what Joe is up to but there is no leak

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document it's on his LinkedIn site and

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he has explained to a number of people

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if you're actually want you can actually

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phone up Joe

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she'll actually talk to you about he

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talked to me he's talked to other

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researchers who have reached out and

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talked to him and he's explained it

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doesn't make any sense to me what he's

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doing or what this deal is but that's

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basically the story it's on his LinkedIn

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site there's no leak document there's no

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conspiracy it's just a press release of

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something that Joe firmage has put out

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and I posted it and knowing a month

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before that was coming I posted it when

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it went up and basically that's all I've

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done is posted his press release well it

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must not be criminal regarding what he

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said because if it was there would be

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charges and we wouldn't know about it

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well why would it be criminal I mean

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well exactly that's what people are

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saying and I don't see how it is no he's

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a guy who's who spent many many years

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figures 40 million 20 million dollars on

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this antigravity thing that he's working

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on my interest in Joe for Images is

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download and and he had an experience in

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the 1990s where he was running this big

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a multi-billion dollar dot-com company

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and had this experience with the being

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in his room that basically the

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indication I got was it sort of gave him

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indications on how the inside of an item

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work so that's my interest I'm

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interested in experiencers I'm

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interested in people who are getting

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downloads who are getting material from

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outside the the awakened conscious mind

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so that was my interest in Joe firmage

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and I only got dragged into this when I

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heard this rumor on the 26th of March

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that he had got this new position so

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there's really nothing Joe is still

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maintaining he will talk to you he will

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explain you go to his LinkedIn site he's

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got five articles that explain what this

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is all about and it doesn't make much

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sense to me but that's basically where

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it's out there's no no conspiracy nobody

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broke the law

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he's just a guy who spent a lot of money

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on this antigravity thing and has been

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working out this relentlessly he's not

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in it for the money but as you probably

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know there's a lot of people who claim

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that they invested they didn't make

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money and I really don't have any

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sympathy for these people because it's

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like I played the the penny stock market

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and I know that if you invest in penny

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stocks or in free energy devices get

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ready to lose

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money so that's basically where it's at

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would it be fair to say this was a form

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of self-promotion in some indirect way

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by him no he's just he's no he's he may

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be spinning what this is but he is

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absolutely believes that he's got

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something in fact one of the postings I

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put was his was one of the websites that

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just went up and you see the the

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instruments he's got this 1.0 device

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that he's selling and the way I the way

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he explained it to me is I'm going to

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work on zero-point energy and I'm not

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going to blow up so he's basically

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going opposing to the other idea that

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we're gonna use this stuff for weapons

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I think view of this whole thing that

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this should be used for mankind's

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benefit and he firmly believes in what

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he's doing he oxy believes he is on the

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leading edge of this stuff and he's just

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busy working at it and he's basically on

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his own there there aren't that many

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people who are on his side or defending

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him except for his investors and at

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times I actually feel sorry for Joe that

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he's sort of working out as hard as you

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can he has no money and he's trying to

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do the best he can with this download

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experience he had in the 1990s well I

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think it's important to not and you

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haven't done this I don't know anybody

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personally that has done this but I've

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seen it in public where they're actually

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bashing him and treating him like he's

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nothing and I don't see what the point

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is and that he is a person who has the

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right to be able to say what he wants

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and if he thinks he's the president of

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the National Space Council and then you

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know it's not hurting anybody

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and great day you've got some heat on

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this - you got some got a little bit of

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heat on this and you know you're just

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passing along something from firmage

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that's from firmage hey that's news yeah

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earlier press release and it got delayed

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because of this firmage lawsuit thing

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that that firm agenda

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Kibby I ended up walking away from from

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the lawsuit and so we are following that

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story plus the story when is this kind

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of relief and I'm still listening I'm

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still following the story I'm still

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talking to I would say I'd probably have

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seven or eight people sort of associated

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with this story that are still talking

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to this is not a this is not the story's

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not over yet

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this is still a live story right and

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we're watching it very closely I know

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you know this is a hot topic grant thank

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you for having addressed it the entire

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UFO community is really interested very

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acutely interested in finding out what

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the heck

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Joe firmage is talking about so as you

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said all they have to do is go to his

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LinkedIn I have gone to his LinkedIn

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I've read all the comments underneath it

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I've gone to Instagram Twitter I've gone

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to Facebook I read as much as I can I

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did reach out to him but you know look I

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think he's getting overwhelmed with all

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kinds of requests to talk about this

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topic

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Frank did you have any more questions

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about this topic or let's get on with

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the main task

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yeah the cover a ports and teleportation

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grant recently you were making comments

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about airports and I just wanted to

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greet a quote that you made regarding

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that topic and a threat of a post now

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there's a post run by a really wonderful

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person and I'm sorry group and her name

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is Roxanne Roxanna and in her group one

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of her really wonderful members Melissa

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did a post about teleportation a story

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that occurred to them and they reached

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out to grant to find out a little bit

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more about that topic in the threat of

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that post Grant said it is especially

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important now as the more secular

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paradigm people are about to make the

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case that pieces are falling off flying

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saucers and the military should finance

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research to build new aerial war

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machines based on the metal being found

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more and more the line is UFOs are going

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to be a lot less physical and much more

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spiritual than people think and some

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people are not going to be too happy

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about the new world view what does all

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of that mean Graham

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well I should basically give you a

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background on how I got into this and

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that is I follow experiencers so I was

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at LAX with ray Hernandez we are waiting

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for an uber which took forever to get

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there so ray is talking to me about his

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various people that are around him and

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he's talking about this one particular

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guy who ray says is probably the top

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experience so that he's met out of the

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6,000 odd people that have filled out

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all the forums that they've got and he

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started talking about these support

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things and that this guy had this

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collection of these materials that were

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falling as he'd be in the house and

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these things would fall and there are

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all sorts of different objects whatever

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and I'm thinking back and I'm gone you

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know this is kind of familiar this is

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this happened in the days of the

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Stanford Research Institute when they

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when uri geller was there i remember

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this story so i linked the story

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together uri geller goes out with help

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put off and edgar mitchell and there at

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the the restaurant and uri is eating ice

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cream and he cuts his mouth on this

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piece of metal that's in his in the ice

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cream and edgar mitchell looks out and

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he says where the heck did this come

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from this is my pin he had lost this pin

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in Houston Texas years before it was an

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Air Force pin or a Navy pin or something

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like that and so they go back to the lab

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and in the lab then they're in the lab

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and it set the back half of this pin

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falls in the behind the behind helped

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put off and Edgar Mitchell in a lab and

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your yellers in another room and then

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later another piece fell so I knew that

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there was this association there was

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this connection so I actually at that

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point I started to think I wonder if the

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metal because Arabs talk about this

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metal and I've worked on this metal

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since ice back in the 1970s I was

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working the Canadian government had a

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lot of this metal a lot of the stuff

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from the US was coming into Canada it

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was being given to the Canadians for

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analysis and what you what you basically

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get is you get all these little tiny

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pieces you don't get a like a door off a

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flying saucer or some you get these

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little tiny pieces that are like the

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size of a quarter that are that are

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appearing and I know from working on

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these metals over the years that most of

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these pieces are piece

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that fall when a flying saucer goes by

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or UFO then suddenly they hear this

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noise and they see this piece of metal

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fall they pick up the piece of metal and

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I had gotten the impression based upon

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what happened at SSRI

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what Ray was telling me that this metal

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stuff is not going to be pieces off

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flying saucer a flying saucer does not

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fly across the galaxy and then suddenly

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have pieces that are falling off it and

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I give I give a lecture it's called a

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theory of wow it's a lecture I give

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where I say that basically I'm coming to

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the conclusion that all of the UFO

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phenomena is just messaging so whether

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it's crop circles whether it's a UFOs

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flying around with lights on them or

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whether it's you know ground traces the

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metal stuff is just messaging they're

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dropping this stuff on purpose and

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that's when you see the the aport stuff

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that is if you took it take a look at

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the ports it happens and all sorts of

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things with mediums with you know

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Eastern mystical guys gurus all this

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kind of stuff you see this stuff

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happening over and over again where this

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material is coming sort of you have

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materializations that come from another

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world so things that appear that nobody

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has seen before I call these

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materializations a ports are things that

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are moved around and you can see people

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have worked on ghost air you know

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poltergeist type stuff we'll talk about

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this all the time stuff moving around in

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the house and so what happened to me is

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once I had this conversation with Ray I

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got sort of really into this sort of

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thing and it was at that point when I

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talk when I started looking around and

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I'm going to this conference in Laughlin

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Nevada Paula Harris's conference so what

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happens is you have these synchronistic

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events that lead me to say this is an

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important subject what happens is I I'm

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googling I find Stan Lee Crypt nur's

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interview that was done where he's

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talking about the aport sand he says you

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know I had a bunch of these reports from

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various psychics and and this guy's been

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his whole life he's worked on these type

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of things and all these of quartz got

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stolen out of his house so he said you

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know I I decided that I wanted to have

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the next set of a ports so that they

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wouldn't get stolen so I sent them to a

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university and guess what the university

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is it's the University where I worked

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for 37 years in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

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when I

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85% of the people in the United States

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we even know where Winnipeg is and

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Stanley krepner sends he's a port so I

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mended the aport thing and then I go to

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Laughlin Nevada and that's when it

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starts for me Laughlin Nevada I have a

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guy his name is Tony bintz from England

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who suddenly decides there's

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consciousness involved in UFOs he looks

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it up he comes across me and he decides

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he's got to leave the UK for the first

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time in his life he's got to go see

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grant Cameron in Laughlin Nevada he's

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going across the world he's very very

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sick he's had three experiences very

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very near death and he comes to Laughlin

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Nevada to talk to me and that's when he

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tells me the Feather story eight

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incidents of feathers falling when

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they're asking for signs and then the

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feather incidents start hopping at

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Laughlin had Laughlin during the

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conference with the British people with

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me with my assistant in Tucson Arizona

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where we get a feather thing so we have

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these like 12 incidents with feathers

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within a couple of weeks all happening

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and I was just hooked and I suddenly

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believe yes this I believe is a type of

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messaging this is sort of an interaction

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with a higher form of consciousness we

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can tap into this sort of thing and when

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I started looking at all this sort of

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stuff I found out it's very big common

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ray Hernandez will say that 30% of all

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experiencers have a port experiences

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where stuff is moving around in the

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house where stuff is materializing and

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now when I asked do the interviews I did

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an interview two days ago I stopped at

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this I do an interview with this gave

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Emmons guys and he wants to talk to me

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about consciousness and about his UFO

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sightings and stuff and it's like every

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experience and I bring up the fact I

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said a David did you ever have anything

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weird drop out of the sky or stuff move

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around in the house and he said yeah can

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I go to the next room and get the stuff

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and he goes into the room and he comes

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back with all this stuff he starts

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telling me these abort stories of this

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material appearing of this you know a

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coin falling or into his car and on the

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front of the driver's side and of course

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I asked him and I know I know I already

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know what the answer is it's like you

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couldn't predict what's gonna happen I

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said it was it heads up or heads down he

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said heads up and that's the thing that

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happened is when I was in Laughlin

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Nevada I'm lecturing so I

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the support I suddenly get religious

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about a ports I put it in Steve Mira

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comes up the very next lecture Steve

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says you stole my lecture and he starts

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talking about a ports I've never heard

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about a ports a month before I didn't

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know what they were and then the Navajo

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rangers come up and the novel Rangers

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start talking and they say we had these

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64 coins and they're doing all these

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paranormal events 64 coins all heads up

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I go to leave the room the guy it's at

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the at the front at the at the door says

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can I talk to you

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I got dimes dimes keep appearing all

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over the place and I said heads up or Oh

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heads up all heads up how many Oh forty

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and then he says Bob Bob the guy used to

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run UFO Congress he's got dimes too and

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suddenly I'm inundated with these

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stories of these aport things that seem

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to appear all the time and just it sort

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of fascinates me but I I think it's

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basically the same thing as a crop

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circle as a ground trace as a UFO flying

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around to me it's all messaging it's

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like the Nimitz thing it's like why does

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the UFO drop from 80,000 feet down to

541
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:18,900
the surface of the water in like a

542
00:22:22,399 --> 00:22:21,059
second or two it's because they just

543
00:22:24,289 --> 00:22:22,409
want you they're giving you a message

544
00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:24,299
they're just trying to interest you why

545
00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:25,350
do they go into the water and make

546
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:27,270
bubbles they just want to get your

547
00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:28,860
attention why did they stay there for a

548
00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:30,659
week before the nimitz game they're just

549
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:31,950
trying to get our attention they're

550
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:33,929
sending us messages and the more I look

551
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:35,370
at the UFO phenomena the more I think

552
00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:40,890
it's all messaging okay so you're yeah

553
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:44,039
what regard I know what grant went into

554
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:45,720
a lot of detail there but yeah just in

555
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:49,020
general rich Hoffman dr. Scott Shane

556
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:51,059
Hurd Earl Grey what do you think about

557
00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:55,500
the general concept of ETS UFOs with the

558
00:23:05,500 --> 00:22:58,730
messaging anyone want to jump in here I

559
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:05,510
wrote a story with a print person that

560
00:23:11,529 --> 00:23:08,700
suggested that some of the things such

561
00:23:14,419 --> 00:23:11,539
as Roswell might just be set up to

562
00:23:17,409 --> 00:23:14,429
certain times in human history to affect

563
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:17,419
things rather than an actual event I

564
00:23:23,539 --> 00:23:20,280
mean there talk about the Roswell debris

565
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:23,549
well maybe that's something that has

566
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,450
been set up to influence people yeah you

567
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,940
see that you see that in the

568
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:32,400
Diann pisacas book where they go to this

569
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:34,110
site and i where the site is in this new

570
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:37,140
mexico site and Tyler D and James are

571
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:39,330
there and James calls it the gifting

572
00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:41,580
site that's the idea that this stuff may

573
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:43,800
actually been given to us the crashes

574
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:45,240
may have been on purpose that this is a

575
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,430
so that's why they and these guys the

576
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:49,500
Tyler DS on the inside and they're

577
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:51,450
referring it to as a gifting site where

578
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:53,310
all this material is given to us to help

579
00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:56,730
us yes I mean I think that it's exactly

580
00:24:03,020 --> 00:23:59,820
that that it's like Prometheus bringing

581
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:03,030
fire to mankind that it's that's a

582
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:06,390
messaging to show that that you can

583
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:10,290
survive this phase that we're in where

584
00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:12,810
we're still warlike and we we have the

585
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:14,900
ability to blow ourselves up many

586
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:17,880
multiple times but when we're dealing

587
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:21,750
with this advanced civilization that is

588
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:23,730
messaging us I think maybe the message

589
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:27,810
is that that you can get past this and

590
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,920
that you can do great things telling us

591
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:34,440
something this is really I think it's

592
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,330
been pretty obvious through most of the

593
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:38,400
sightings that when they don't want to

594
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,310
be seen they're not seen so when they

595
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:43,200
are seen it's pretty obvious that it's

596
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:45,750
because they did want to be seen by

597
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:48,840
someone at that time purposeful it's

598
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:51,810
always a purposeful sees a UFO by

599
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:55,140
accident I I keep on bumping into this I

600
00:25:00,140 --> 00:24:57,450
don't think that anything's accidental I

601
00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:00,150
don't think that they they oh whoops we

602
00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:04,230
crashed our spaceship yet oh no they're

603
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,270
not out doing butterfly maneuvers for

604
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:08,720
whimsical amusement amongst themselves

605
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:12,090
they're doing stuff to get our attention

606
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:14,610
when when they're seen in big instances

607
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:21,980
like let me jump in here for a second so

608
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:24,650
I don't profess to understand

609
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,510
intellectual capabilities of any alien

610
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,120
life-form like let me clarify that up

611
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,220
front I don't know that they're intense

612
00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:35,760
I we we as humans tend to like want to

613
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:37,560
be able to put our own spin on it and

614
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:39,030
try to make it make sense

615
00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:41,530
it's pretty clear that you know

616
00:25:45,270 --> 00:25:43,660
if you want to look at it or something

617
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:45,280
like you know wanting to get our

618
00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:45,910
attention

619
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:48,160
you might want to take the new cases as

620
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:50,110
being a primary example of trying to get

621
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:53,830
our attention right ok but I mean here's

622
00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:56,230
where I struggle ok why do I want to

623
00:26:00,960 --> 00:25:58,660
drop a piece of metal off of a craft to

624
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:00,970
be able to make a message what does the

625
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:03,570
message say and then at the same time

626
00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:06,190
why don't I just hand a piece of metal

627
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:09,160
to an abductee and drop it off and leave

628
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:11,110
it with them and say yours my whatever

629
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:13,930
this purpose is perhaps those are just

630
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:17,230
the bowing test models yeah so I I just

631
00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:20,170
don't I have great difficulty with that

632
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:24,580
in the MUFON cases that I investigated I

633
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:25,480
went through the whole database

634
00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:28,780
practically of looking for all different

635
00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:30,430
kinds of things because we hadn't we

636
00:26:35,910 --> 00:26:32,200
struggled with being able to try to find

637
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:35,920
is paranormal activity involved in cases

638
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:38,530
and a lot of times it's you know not the

639
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:40,690
case it's like an object in the sky you

640
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:42,970
know that it's there it's gone you know

641
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,360
you did rich you did seem to suggest

642
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:48,400
that perhaps say you saw a pattern of

643
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:51,220
behavior though maybe not exactly the

644
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,500
phenomenon we're talking about but you

645
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:54,880
did suggest that at least it seemed to

646
00:27:00,360 --> 00:26:57,820
me I'm wrong clear me up here a pattern

647
00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:00,370
of behavior you talked about that you

648
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:03,580
talked about the nuke sites I mean what

649
00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:05,800
did trace a short of the nuke sites

650
00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:08,920
which was pretty doggone you know that

651
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:14,200
does suggest something and well I guess

652
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:16,120
what I'm trying to get at is dropping a

653
00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:18,730
piece of slag or metal or some other

654
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:20,680
kind of an object or making keys to

655
00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:24,010
disappear out of a room or whatever like

656
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:26,380
that I just to me I struggle with that

657
00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:29,920
and I don't know that I I strive that

658
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:32,560
even necessarily in a house or something

659
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:36,070
like that to being a UFO I might think

660
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:37,900
that there might be a poltergeist or

661
00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:39,460
some other kind of phenomena going on

662
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:43,240
there but I I don't I don't see much in

663
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:46,390
the way of evidence from the record that

664
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:48,370
we've got where there's a tremendous

665
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:50,680
amount of this kind of like messaging

666
00:27:56,770 --> 00:27:54,440
going on in the UFO reports that we get

667
00:27:59,920 --> 00:27:56,780
and I used to look at like thousands of

668
00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:59,930
these cases you know it seemingly over a

669
00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:01,070
period of time with the science and

670
00:28:06,610 --> 00:28:03,350
review board and I've not really had

671
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:06,620
anything I have had one case where I had

672
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,590
an individual in southern Alabama that

673
00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:11,840
was claiming that keys were being moved

674
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:14,300
around or appearing and disappearing and

675
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:17,270
that type of thing and it happened to

676
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:21,950
coincide with a UFO report but again I

677
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:24,410
go back to you know if we're not looking

678
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,020
at cases that have been investigated

679
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:32,000
number one and found to be unknowns and

680
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:34,190
then we look at some of the behavior and

681
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:36,290
then try to ascribe our understanding to

682
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:39,860
it we struggle with mixing it in with

683
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:41,690
all different kinds of other naturally

684
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,660
IFO cases which are the vast majority of

685
00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:47,600
the cases and so I'm a little bit

686
00:28:55,030 --> 00:28:53,140
questioning that let me jump back in off

687
00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:55,040
I'm sorry what

688
00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:56,540
well how do you explain the metals are

689
00:28:59,740 --> 00:28:57,980
you proposing that pieces are falling

690
00:29:02,290 --> 00:28:59,750
off flying saucers after they've flown

691
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:02,300
across the galaxy well I'm not sure that

692
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:03,770
they're coming off of the flying saucer

693
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:05,090
so that wouldn't even jump to saying

694
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:06,770
that they're you know that they're even

695
00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:10,010
connected they might be that in the case

696
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:11,990
of crashes you know if you want to look

697
00:29:18,670 --> 00:29:15,650
at crashes you can find debris but I'm I

698
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,680
don't know I'm not going to ascribe my

699
00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:20,330
understanding and say that I'm going to

700
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:22,040
jump to a piece of metal falling off of

701
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:24,050
it and saying that it's a message what

702
00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:26,630
the hell's the message that they have

703
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:28,160
some sort of problems and that they're

704
00:29:33,970 --> 00:29:30,580
wanting to dump metal I mean that's just

705
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:33,980
that's speculation out the bippy I'm

706
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:35,750
looking for something that makes sense

707
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:37,550
and yeah we have a problem with that

708
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:39,350
because again we don't understand

709
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:41,930
alien intent I don't understand anything

710
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:46,010
if it's alien well yeah and there's a

711
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:47,810
whole lot of other explanations for

712
00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:50,180
something that's in the sky I mean just

713
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:52,160
you take a look at the Bentwaters case

714
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:53,630
and say that that might be a time

715
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:55,820
machine and that might be us from the

716
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:56,360
future

717
00:30:01,960 --> 00:29:58,610
yeah so I'm not willing to say that it's

718
00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:01,970
et giving us a message at all well I let

719
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,800
me yeah oh go ahead yeah guy grant I'm

720
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:06,080
sorry I I just I just say we've got to

721
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:07,850
go to the evidence the evidence is 30%

722
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:08,330
of all

723
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:10,250
is whether you've seen it or not the

724
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,930
free survey which I think is the best

725
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:14,330
evidence we've got is 30% of all of them

726
00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:16,520
are claiming there's a port type

727
00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:18,620
material and if you start looking in

728
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:20,390
across all the other paranormal

729
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:22,100
phenomena and it's all gonna be the same

730
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:24,770
thing it's it's all paranormal phenomena

731
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:26,330
is gonna basically be consciousness

732
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:28,400
based and you start finding it in

733
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:30,710
mediums you find find it all over the

734
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:32,630
place this means this I thought a port

735
00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:34,700
stuff was just UFO stuff and you find

736
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:36,680
out it's all over the place it's it's

737
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:38,630
very very common it's way more common

738
00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:40,910
you think it is yeah I'm not describing

739
00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:44,120
that every Dutchman case is also alien

740
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:48,430
either and and so is there an aspect of

741
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:51,830
of paranormal I mean parapsychology you

742
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:53,540
know is there some sort of aspect the

743
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:55,400
poltergeist phenomena that's creating

744
00:31:00,250 --> 00:30:58,250
this I'm not shopping I'm not jumping to

745
00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:00,260
the fact that it has to be UFO and I'm

746
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:03,620
not seeing that in UFO cases 90% of UFO

747
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:05,570
in cording to the free Syria over 90

748
00:31:10,810 --> 00:31:07,510
percent say this paranormal phenomena

749
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:10,820
70% of seeing ghosts 37% of it

750
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:12,890
near-death experiences you just go

751
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:14,180
through the stats and you see this

752
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:15,550
paranormal

753
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:19,910
I don't necessarily see that the UFO

754
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:23,390
phenomena that we see are connected to

755
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:26,870
even alien abduction cases okay let me

756
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:31,070
clarify that that's that correlation has

757
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:33,050
yet to be proven there's very little and

758
00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:35,150
there's few cases on record where you

759
00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:38,060
have something that Purdue made that

760
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:39,470
indicates that something did have

761
00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:41,570
matsing all of them but I'm saying that

762
00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:43,820
there are very few cases where there's

763
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,760
physical evidence and enough evidence to

764
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:49,700
support even that that's being connected

765
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:52,250
to a UFO event they may already be

766
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:55,010
physical so yeah you're setting

767
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:56,930
guidelines it has to be physical we have

768
00:32:02,080 --> 00:31:58,610
to be able to touch it and feel it and

769
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:02,090
smell it all saying that that's how

770
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:05,810
science works okay but that did that's

771
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:07,250
you're just putting the borders you're

772
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:09,260
saying unless it fits into scientist it

773
00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:11,210
doesn't believe it you can't exist so

774
00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:13,040
that's that's where we are science won't

775
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:14,900
accept this it won't do it because

776
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:16,670
you've got to play by our games like the

777
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:20,470
Roman Catholic Church and we say

778
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,810
subscribe to the fact that science

779
00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:24,640
guesses a little bit further down the

780
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:25,990
road in our understanding of the

781
00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:28,450
universe and so that's the where I'm

782
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:31,480
coming from speculating is not gonna get

783
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,790
us anywhere and I hear you speculating

784
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:36,640
on what this might be or the intent or

785
00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:39,190
whatever else works you get a hypotheses

786
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:40,630
you make observations you make

787
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:42,850
conclusions you make a new hypotheses it

788
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:44,440
doesn't say it has to be physical that's

789
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:46,750
not in the scientific method I'm sorry

790
00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:50,760
but also speculating like we're doing is

791
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:54,040
let me jump in here and again I don't

792
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:55,510
mean to put you on the spot here rich

793
00:33:00,060 --> 00:32:57,730
but there been a lot of UFO cases we

794
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:00,070
know this for a fact that where people

795
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:02,650
see UFOs at night and they are lit up

796
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:04,690
their lights on them the questions been

797
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:07,240
asked a lot you know if you're an

798
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,460
advanced extraterrestrial craft what do

799
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:11,440
you need lights on your vehicle for and

800
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,240
I would hypothesize shall we say that

801
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,120
the reason is to be recognized the same

802
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:22,000
sort of thing that is being mentioned in

803
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:24,100
connection with the airports let me ask

804
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:25,810
you this rich yes you've looked at a lot

805
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:28,930
of cases over the years how often are

806
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:31,570
they sightings at night with lights on

807
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:32,950
them is this pretty this is pretty

808
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:36,460
common I would have to assume so to the

809
00:33:41,550 --> 00:33:39,550
lights okay if you take a look at the

810
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:41,560
early days of flying saucers and various

811
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:42,970
other things you would basically say

812
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:46,240
that you'd see that the object was lit

813
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:49,690
okay the object had possibly a field

814
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:51,070
around it or you know if we're gonna

815
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:52,540
speculate and that's some sort of like

816
00:33:55,770 --> 00:33:53,800
field around it and of course that's

817
00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:55,780
what we're saying even with a tic-tac or

818
00:34:00,690 --> 00:33:57,940
various other things and where that

819
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:00,700
where that atmosphere is likely meeting

820
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:03,580
our atmosphere I mean there whenever

821
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,590
their shield or whatever you want to

822
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:07,840
call it is as inter interacting with it

823
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:11,860
it's creating it to become lit up much

824
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,300
like the same thing you see with a

825
00:34:17,310 --> 00:34:15,040
meteor going through the gas I mean

826
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:17,320
where a gas is ignited and a certain

827
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:20,230
color that happens if you look at the

828
00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:22,030
gym the Campbell's work you find out

829
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:23,560
that you know it's basically they'll go

830
00:34:27,090 --> 00:34:25,090
through even color changes even

831
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:27,100
sometimes yeah yeah you can tell what

832
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:29,050
the makeup of the meteorite is by the

833
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:32,140
color and then then we get into the fact

834
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:34,409
that that being

835
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:36,730
you know if we take a look at it we

836
00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:38,919
eliminate probably the ones that are

837
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,909
possibly

838
00:34:44,609 --> 00:34:42,480
aircraft or various other kinds of like

839
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:44,619
things in the sky that we don't

840
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:48,010
understand uh you don't see like

841
00:34:52,799 --> 00:34:50,260
rotating lights like the typical thing

842
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:52,809
that you see on science fiction days you

843
00:34:56,789 --> 00:34:55,240
see maybe that there might be some

844
00:35:00,359 --> 00:34:56,799
lights on the triangles that we're

845
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:00,369
starting to connect with uh and that's

846
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:03,970
likely our craft as far as I'm concerned

847
00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:05,890
and the way I've been saying but anyway

848
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:09,099
I don't really necessarily see these

849
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:10,869
rotating lights like we see in science

850
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:14,589
fiction things are or necessarily alien

851
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:19,359
craft item or even that light I mean

852
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:21,220
they don't need lights they don't need

853
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,140
as you pointed out pick it out maneuver

854
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:25,359
us and they don't need lights whatsoever

855
00:35:29,279 --> 00:35:27,369
right right right right then yeah they

856
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:29,289
don't need them but there are cases

857
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:30,490
where they do exist

858
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,650
you're saying that you think well most

859
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:34,960
UFO cases of course are iki

860
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:38,440
but there's let me put it to you this

861
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:38,740
way

862
00:35:45,089 --> 00:35:40,930
are there some good cases you are aware

863
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:45,099
of that are light indeed why did UFOs at

864
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:47,020
night that you think we can't explain

865
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:49,750
this well I mean let's think the

866
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:51,490
Bentwaters case the Bentwaters case at

867
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:53,170
the bottom underneath it had some sort

868
00:35:58,260 --> 00:35:55,569
of a blue bluish kind of like light if

869
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:58,270
you would okay well but then if you take

870
00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:00,460
a look at the Penniston statement about

871
00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:02,020
the ones and zeroes then you get to

872
00:36:05,819 --> 00:36:03,819
believe that it's a that it's us from

873
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:05,829
the future so that would explain why

874
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:07,690
that might have lights on it I guess or

875
00:36:14,609 --> 00:36:11,049
something than that but I then you take

876
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,619
a look at other cases and going back to

877
00:36:19,289 --> 00:36:16,960
the sightings at night yeah generally

878
00:36:21,089 --> 00:36:19,299
it's easier for people to see a light on

879
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,099
a dark background than it is for them to

880
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:23,200
see a dark object on a light background

881
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,230
and so we get more reports at night

882
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:28,960
because basically people are also off of

883
00:36:33,269 --> 00:36:30,849
work and outdoors looking up in the sky

884
00:36:35,309 --> 00:36:33,279
or they see something readily because

885
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:35,319
it's a light on a whatever you know and

886
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,980
so we will get you know I would get

887
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:41,200
those reports more frequently than we do

888
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:45,430
on the daytime sightings if they're so I

889
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:47,860
know if that helps or not but it

890
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:52,450
I appreciate it I do what I just go

891
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:53,830
ahead and if you don't mind finishing

892
00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:55,390
that rich and then I have a question for

893
00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:57,790
you no I was just to say that you know

894
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:01,000
I'm I'm not saying all okay I'm trying

895
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,770
to be very careful in saying that that

896
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:05,200
there's a the Lord when we go through

897
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:07,030
the cases when we actually read the case

898
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:08,710
it's and we've investigated a lot over

899
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:11,110
fifty five years I mean I've been out in

900
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:12,610
fields and everything else looking at

901
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,530
objects a lot of times the light that

902
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,200
they say is the object it's glowing or

903
00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:18,400
there was some sort of a thing around

904
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:21,460
that object that's glowing it's only

905
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:23,230
recently that we're starting to get on

906
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:24,790
these cases where you might like say

907
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:26,650
that the triangular case is if you would

908
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:28,990
have some sort of like three lights on

909
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:29,800
them and then you have to question

910
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,270
whether or not they're looking at three

911
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:32,800
separate objects or whether they're

912
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:37,480
looking at a solid object so the mind

913
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:41,080
and the human is very tries to interpret

914
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:43,660
that in their brain and they don't

915
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:45,940
necessarily always get it accurate

916
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:49,300
either and the same goes with even

917
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:52,690
abductees or claims of abduction where

918
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:55,510
we we have people experiencers telling

919
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:57,610
their story and they're doing it from

920
00:38:01,350 --> 00:37:59,230
the best of their ability and we know

921
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:01,360
that the human mind is not that all

922
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:04,690
accurate either at the same time we see

923
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:06,760
that there is some sort of pattern

924
00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:08,410
because everybody seems to be in the

925
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:11,020
abduction side telling almost very much

926
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:15,010
a similar story so I'm not saying that

927
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:17,890
there isn't something going on but I

928
00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:20,470
don't necessarily see yet the proven

929
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:23,860
correlation between that and let's say

930
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:26,530
the observations of little beings that

931
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:29,710
scampered back on board their craft that

932
00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:32,590
didn't want to be seen throughout the

933
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:35,620
UFO history there's a lot of those then

934
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,630
there's a lot of contact these who

935
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:39,520
people they believe that they saw

936
00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:41,740
somebody from the planet Venus you know

937
00:38:45,330 --> 00:38:43,420
and they talked with them and they went

938
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,340
aboard and they took them aboard how do

939
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:46,960
you how do you go ahead and figure that

940
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:49,300
one out and understand it rationally and

941
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:51,790
you can't so then you start to go it off

942
00:38:55,530 --> 00:38:53,650
and you start speculating about other

943
00:38:57,690 --> 00:38:55,540
things it's consciousness it's this or

944
00:39:00,180 --> 00:38:57,700
it's that but we don't have any proof we

945
00:39:01,849 --> 00:39:00,190
did we be proof and science works on the

946
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:01,859
basis of give any evidence

947
00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:06,220
well done Frank I want to bring this up

948
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:07,900
cuz I Frank still bring up very very

949
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,700
good questions and hold on to that Frank

950
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:10,720
because I know you have a good question

951
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:14,710
ask rich I think the only thing I would

952
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:17,140
like to bring to your attention is when

953
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:20,020
you say we don't have any proof that

954
00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:22,900
each that I I don't know that they use

955
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:24,940
that very much in science but whether

956
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:27,460
they do or not I wanted to bring to your

957
00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:30,430
attention is it's important for us to

958
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,349
speculate and ask questions because

959
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:35,200
that's a basis a fundamental principle

960
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:38,200
of science and there's no way to

961
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:40,690
actually get anywhere in science unless

962
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:44,380
we speculate and I use that term loosely

963
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:48,090
one example is Einstein he did thought

964
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:50,980
exercises in his head to imagine and

965
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:52,840
ruminate over things that could be

966
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:55,270
possible now we wouldn't have the

967
00:40:00,690 --> 00:39:57,400
general theory of relativity without his

968
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:00,700
having had the benefit of stepping

969
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:03,849
outside the paradigm he was surrounded

970
00:40:10,109 --> 00:40:06,520
by and the culture he was surrounded by

971
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:10,119
regarding science and society and then

972
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:12,490
moving forward and courageous manner to

973
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:16,210
ask questions then he wrote his his

974
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,280
thesis regarding general theory of

975
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:20,800
relativity and and then other important

976
00:40:26,609 --> 00:40:23,500
scientific papers now it's not just

977
00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:26,619
iodine it's really it's many other

978
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:30,820
mental Giants both right now and in

979
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:32,530
history that have gotten us to the point

980
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:35,080
where we are regarding science so it's

981
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:37,030
important for us to talk about things

982
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,250
like this now with regards to the

983
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,960
science of teleportation it's my

984
00:40:45,329 --> 00:40:43,119
understanding that there's a gentleman

985
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:45,339
called let's see his name is Eric W

986
00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:49,930
Davis and and there was a study called

987
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:53,589
the teleportation physics study approved

988
00:40:58,290 --> 00:40:55,810
for public release by the Air Force

989
00:41:00,750 --> 00:40:58,300
Research Laboratory Air Force Materiel

990
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:00,760
Command Air Force air force base I had

991
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,650
that I'll send a link into the chat room

992
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:04,480
in just a second this was a

993
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:08,200
teleportation physics study the abstract

994
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:09,490
says this study was tasked with the

995
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,540
purpose of collecting information

996
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:12,640
describing the teleportation of material

997
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:14,650
objects providing a description of

998
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:15,550
teleportation

999
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:17,710
occurs in physics it's theoretical and

1000
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:20,080
experimental status and a projection of

1001
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:22,420
potential applications the study also

1002
00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:24,280
consisted of a search for teleportation

1003
00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:26,860
phenomena occurring naturally or under

1004
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:29,320
lab conditions that can be assembled

1005
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:31,180
into a model describing the conditions

1006
00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:33,310
required to accomplish the transfer of

1007
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:35,500
objects I'm going to read just a little

1008
00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:37,960
bit more this included a review and

1009
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:39,700
documentation of quantum teleportation

1010
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:42,940
is theoretical basis technological

1011
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:44,250
development and its potential

1012
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:46,870
applications the characteristics of

1013
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:49,270
teleportation were defined and physical

1014
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:51,460
theories were evaluated in terms of

1015
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,560
their ability to completely describe the

1016
00:41:59,550 --> 00:41:56,560
phenomena contemporary physics as well

1017
00:42:01,380 --> 00:41:59,560
as theories and presently challenge the

1018
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:01,390
current physics paradigm were

1019
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:03,220
investigated something you and I are

1020
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:05,170
talking about right now the author

1021
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,750
identified and proposed to unic unique

1022
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,480
physics models for teleportation that

1023
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:12,160
are based on the manipulation of either

1024
00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:14,350
the general relative lists general

1025
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,260
relativistic space-time metric or the

1026
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:19,930
spacetime vacuum electromagnetic zero

1027
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:22,830
point fluctuations parameters

1028
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:24,340
naturally-occurring

1029
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:27,130
anomalous teleportation phenomena that

1030
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:29,110
were previously studied by the United

1031
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:31,450
States and foreign governments were also

1032
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:33,880
documented in the study and are reviewed

1033
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:36,430
in the report the author proposes an

1034
00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:38,260
additional model for the teleportation

1035
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,600
that is based on a combination of the

1036
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:42,790
experimental results from the previous

1037
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:50,890
government studies and advance your

1038
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:52,060
breaking up Oh

1039
00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:54,760
numerous recommendations can you hear me

1040
00:42:59,610 --> 00:42:57,460
now yeah yes ok numerous recommendations

1041
00:43:01,950 --> 00:42:59,620
outlining proposals for further

1042
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:01,960
theoretical and experimental studies are

1043
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:04,660
given in the report the report also

1044
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:06,460
includes an extensive teleportation

1045
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:08,890
bibliography it sounds like they're

1046
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:11,500
using science to study teleportation

1047
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:14,920
their grant and rich what are your

1048
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:16,870
comments on that either one of you if

1049
00:43:21,450 --> 00:43:18,970
you don't mind jumping in and before you

1050
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:21,460
do I would like to say that according to

1051
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:22,810
the research I've done

1052
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:26,080
teleportation relies on the study of it

1053
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,090
relies on the uncertainty principle and

1054
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:29,760
quantum and

1055
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:33,490
entanglement phenomenon anybody want to

1056
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:41,680
comment on that there is a scientific

1057
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:43,510
study right there by the United States

1058
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:47,500
military studying teleportation so

1059
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:49,180
Edwards Air Force Base is where they

1060
00:43:57,329 --> 00:43:55,030
were doing the study yeah okay obviously

1061
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,339
let's get down and we're gonna get into

1062
00:44:02,339 --> 00:43:59,920
quantum entanglement you know I mean we

1063
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:02,349
don't understand the universe okay we

1064
00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:04,329
really don't I mean we don't understand

1065
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:06,520
we're starting to understand more and

1066
00:44:11,849 --> 00:44:09,490
more about the quantum world but we we

1067
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:11,859
have so much yet to learn and yeah at

1068
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:13,630
the fact that you can have one particle

1069
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:17,170
here and somewhere else is in the in the

1070
00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:17,829
universe

1071
00:44:22,589 --> 00:44:20,349
you you do a spin and that's been

1072
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:22,599
changes and alters instantaneous tell

1073
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,339
you that there's something very

1074
00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:27,040
instantaneous going on but we don't

1075
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:29,109
understand once there's something going

1076
00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:31,569
on there but we don't really understand

1077
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:34,780
you know what that is and is that what

1078
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:38,079
you'd call teleportation I don't know

1079
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:40,329
that I would go there I think the

1080
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:43,210
teleportation is definitely being a look

1081
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,310
at it being explored by science they are

1082
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:48,480
trying to move particles or quantum

1083
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:51,819
level kind of particles around but

1084
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:53,950
that's a holistically different thing

1085
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:55,050
than me.take

1086
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:00,640
in a chant and moving her from where

1087
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:08,640
she's at right now and quantum particle

1088
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:12,670
body all rearranged then put back it's

1089
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:15,460
going to take a helluva anyway that

1090
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:18,790
being said that's I mean we just don't

1091
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:22,030
know a lot I mean we're still thinking a

1092
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,490
lot of our science and for the record

1093
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:26,800
Qian is 2,000 miles away from me right

1094
00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:32,980
now and that's close enough okay so did

1095
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:35,560
anybody have a personal teleportation

1096
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:37,390
story think I heard that Jeff might is

1097
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,220
that correct or is that about your did

1098
00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:40,640
your bird have one

1099
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:43,720
[Laughter]

1100
00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:47,660
so no response objection I do know we

1101
00:45:52,810 --> 00:45:49,820
brought up Rendlesham before and John

1102
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:52,820
burrows says he had one related to that

1103
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:54,920
case so there's that uri geller

1104
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:57,350
discussed his experience on our show

1105
00:46:01,600 --> 00:45:59,050
when he was with us about a month ago so

1106
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:01,610
they do come up once in a while now and

1107
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:03,830
again so don't want to throw that in

1108
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:04,450
there

1109
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:08,450
one might view some of the UFOs

1110
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:12,140
themselves as teleported to may be from

1111
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:15,460
other planets or someplace else is

1112
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:17,960
something that's spying on us or

1113
00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:20,020
teleported some way

1114
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:24,200
good god and if you look at experiencers

1115
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,390
they basically talk about this all the

1116
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:28,640
time nobody remembers being taken on the

1117
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,990
ship they just like they were talking

1118
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:31,520
about going through walls through

1119
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,860
windows part of the reason I was

1120
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,170
following firmage was because there's

1121
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:38,480
this rumored story that they were

1122
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:40,760
working on portal technology we heard

1123
00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:43,160
about the portals stuff at skinwalker

1124
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:45,860
ranch this idea that you can move from

1125
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:48,950
one place to another instantaneously

1126
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,830
seems to be being talked about by an

1127
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:53,960
awful lot of people this is not some

1128
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:55,700
sort of speculation people are reporting

1129
00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:58,010
this and I think that's where you go

1130
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:59,960
because then you get into the the whole

1131
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:01,820
idea that consciousness may be primary

1132
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:04,190
and that the idea that you have physical

1133
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:08,510
stuff is is an illusion that it's it's

1134
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:12,050
much more basic and I can just give you

1135
00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:13,970
the one example of Chris Bledsoe talking

1136
00:47:19,330 --> 00:47:17,060
to me I've got 50 people who have flown

1137
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:19,340
the ship and every single one it's like

1138
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:21,350
a cue card you just say to them how do

1139
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:23,150
you fly ship and they all say you do

1140
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,190
with your mind and Chris Bledsoe told me

1141
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:27,440
I said okay explain it he went step by

1142
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:29,480
step exactly how it worked and he told

1143
00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:31,490
me he said the way it works is you look

1144
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:33,230
out look out the front window of the

1145
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:35,840
craft and you see a cloud you just say

1146
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:37,190
I'd like to go to the cloud and suddenly

1147
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,270
the cloud is right there

1148
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:41,440
and I've heard this numerous times where

1149
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:43,640
the idea that you're going to move from

1150
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,950
place to place is almost instantaneous

1151
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:47,900
and that's why I'm so interested in the

1152
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:50,570
whole idea of the portal thing when you

1153
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:52,430
get people talking about this type of

1154
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:55,400
stuff that are we have a living

1155
00:48:00,280 --> 00:47:57,020
sort of an illusionary world where you

1156
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,290
we think that there we're flying we're

1157
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:02,240
flying across these guys have got big

1158
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:03,530
huge ships and they're flying across

1159
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:05,240
time and space I can almost guarantee

1160
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:07,220
you if this is for real they are popping

1161
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:09,710
in and popping out there they are not

1162
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,650
flying across the universe you would the

1163
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:14,240
ship do you would need huge amounts of

1164
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,430
food and when you start looking out the

1165
00:48:20,590 --> 00:48:18,680
beings and you start seeing the

1166
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:20,600
description that they come out of balls

1167
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:22,310
of light and turn into aliens or they go

1168
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:24,290
from aliens into balls of light then you

1169
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:26,330
start looking at it you're saying this

1170
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:28,010
whole idea that a lot of quantum

1171
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:29,660
physicists that when they first started

1172
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,850
says consciousness is primary you cannot

1173
00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:33,920
get behind consciousness that is where I

1174
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:35,180
think you got to go I think you got to

1175
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:37,640
drop this physical notion of the

1176
00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:39,770
universe and realize it may be a little

1177
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:42,020
more complex than little nuts and bolts

1178
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:44,060
that makes up a random universe

1179
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:47,810
great if it's simpler than that they've

1180
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:51,980
got a local base but they still have to

1181
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:54,170
get here at some point understood

1182
00:48:58,060 --> 00:48:56,510
understood and and we have United space

1183
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:58,070
program can't even get to the you got to

1184
00:49:01,000 --> 00:48:59,330
use the Russians to get to the space

1185
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,010
station

1186
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:03,440
I mean we're got a long way away and and

1187
00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:05,390
the idea that you're gonna spend you

1188
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:07,340
know many light-years going to another

1189
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:10,700
star system it's almost more conceivable

1190
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:12,910
that they have found some way to bypass

1191
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:16,760
through you know warping space-time or

1192
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:18,680
whatever visible wormhole something

1193
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,490
along those lines

1194
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:21,200
whatever that it's going to be much more

1195
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:25,520
calm if I can almost bet my my farm that

1196
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:27,890
I don't have that they ain't flying here

1197
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:29,900
in big spaceships they've got some other

1198
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:34,010
way to get here is a hot topic go ahead

1199
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:35,390
rich you were gonna say something I

1200
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:39,320
think I heard you please talk in our

1201
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:40,970
conference about this with interstellar

1202
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:42,830
travel and basically the concept there

1203
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:45,400
would be that if you add a group of

1204
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:47,960
people that are equally in race if you

1205
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:51,320
would you would basically be in the

1206
00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:53,960
concept of we're like nomadic if you

1207
00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:56,150
would you'd be traveling in large groups

1208
00:50:00,820 --> 00:49:58,460
to a given location and then you would

1209
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,830
settle at that location and then you

1210
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:02,720
would move from that location off into

1211
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:06,410
other areas and you can move and do with

1212
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:08,390
the interstellar travel

1213
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:11,180
we basically had dr. Kevin Knuth who was

1214
00:50:17,799 --> 00:50:13,910
talking about this and his presentation

1215
00:50:20,289 --> 00:50:17,809
where by you could probably get if

1216
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:20,299
you're traveling near like speech you

1217
00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:22,910
could conceivably be over on the other

1218
00:50:28,509 --> 00:50:24,799
side of the universe and a very short

1219
00:50:31,299 --> 00:50:28,519
order but again you'd want to travel in

1220
00:50:33,549 --> 00:50:31,309
nomadic groups and settle well if you

1221
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:33,559
look at the UFO history if you want to

1222
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,049
look at you know what has been written

1223
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:39,200
from and studied by like wonders in the

1224
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:42,109
skies at Java lay and Kris Kobach did I

1225
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,210
mean you find out that they've been here

1226
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,119
for a very very long time if you know

1227
00:50:52,029 --> 00:50:49,940
it's in written records so it's very

1228
00:50:54,489 --> 00:50:52,039
conceivable that they would they've been

1229
00:50:56,999 --> 00:50:54,499
here all along and they don't have to

1230
00:51:00,099 --> 00:50:57,009
make these routine trips back and forth

1231
00:51:02,140 --> 00:51:00,109
and in fact it would just be logical you

1232
00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:02,150
settle underneath the water I mean if

1233
00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:03,980
you want to get into speculating it

1234
00:51:10,839 --> 00:51:08,869
would seem yeah we seem to be having a

1235
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,849
lot of objects coming in and out of

1236
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:12,559
water that's been reported quite

1237
00:51:16,809 --> 00:51:14,329
frequently we have the Navy encounters

1238
00:51:19,989 --> 00:51:16,819
that are going on of course but I mean

1239
00:51:22,930 --> 00:51:19,999
that's one of those other large patterns

1240
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:22,940
you see in UFO reports is that there's a

1241
00:51:28,509 --> 00:51:26,480
water somewhat connected to it and uh so

1242
00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:28,519
I mean they don't have to be coming from

1243
00:51:32,769 --> 00:51:30,980
outer space they can be here and it

1244
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:32,779
could have been here all along in fact

1245
00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:36,529
you know one argues that in 1945 and 46

1246
00:51:41,289 --> 00:51:38,869
we'll we're starting to detonate nukes

1247
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:41,299
why wouldn't they start being a little

1248
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:43,160
bit concerned and popping up and wanting

1249
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,049
to stop us and then why the focus on the

1250
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:46,640
nukes well maybe that's wanting to stop

1251
00:51:52,299 --> 00:51:49,700
I'm into silos and send a message so

1252
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:52,309
there you go there's your message and

1253
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:54,440
let me speculate a little bit and it

1254
00:51:57,579 --> 00:51:55,970
could be that or it could be they like

1255
00:52:00,579 --> 00:51:57,589
playing chase games with advanced

1256
00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:00,589
military aircraft and when you go to

1257
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:02,390
look for a pickup basketball game you

1258
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:05,690
don't hang around the pond you hang

1259
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:07,910
around some place where an advanced

1260
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:10,430
military aircraft is likely to play that

1261
00:52:15,130 --> 00:52:13,369
taste game with you yeah I think that

1262
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:15,140
they've had a chance to give a lot of

1263
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:17,569
messages and it's interesting that you

1264
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:19,400
know if you want to give us a message or

1265
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:21,170
something of that nature just hand it to

1266
00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:22,190
an abductee

1267
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:23,900
you got and have them go back but

1268
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,430
instead of taking their books away like

1269
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:26,960
they did with Betty and Barney Hill and

1270
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:29,120
or Betty Hill when she was wanting to

1271
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:30,920
take the book with her you know I mean

1272
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:33,140
give us a message and make it very very

1273
00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:33,920
clear

1274
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:36,980
I mean why why not that's American

1275
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:39,530
concept though we go to Iraq we go to

1276
00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:40,910
Iraq to bring him freedom democracy

1277
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,160
Jesus McDonald's they're not here to do

1278
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:45,200
our homework for us it's it's an

1279
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:46,520
indirect thing the same way the

1280
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:47,960
government is doing the disclosure thing

1281
00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:49,940
it's an indirect thing where you they

1282
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,430
make you figure it out it's not that

1283
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:54,710
they're gonna come here and hand us the

1284
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:57,560
free energy toys that we're gonna you

1285
00:52:59,920 --> 00:52:59,480
know speed up the destruction of the

1286
00:53:01,450 --> 00:52:59,930
planet

1287
00:53:03,010 --> 00:53:01,460
it's basically that's why I say it's

1288
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,020
messaging but it's non interference

1289
00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:04,880
where they're they're basically sending

1290
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:06,680
these indirect messages they're never

1291
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,210
going to land and I don't think the

1292
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:09,440
government is ever going to fully

1293
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:12,770
disclose it's this indirect thing with

1294
00:53:16,810 --> 00:53:14,270
the breadcrumbs it's always been that

1295
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:16,820
way and it's from the bottom up it's not

1296
00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:20,060
from the top down well we have landings

1297
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:21,350
whether we want to say that we have it

1298
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:21,650
or not

1299
00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:23,270
I mean there are cases where there are

1300
00:53:27,550 --> 00:53:24,980
landing so I just say that they don't

1301
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:27,560
land is not accurate in terms of reports

1302
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:29,300
but but they don't they don't stay on

1303
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:30,920
the ground they just stay long enough

1304
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,930
and when Betty we asked for the book

1305
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:34,880
they don't give you the book they don't

1306
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:36,410
allow you to grab anything and take it

1307
00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:37,700
out of there they don't allow you any

1308
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:39,380
evidence that's what they want they want

1309
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:41,210
this sort of questionable thing where

1310
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:42,200
everybody's trying to figure out what's

1311
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:44,600
going on if they want us to land on the

1312
00:53:47,110 --> 00:53:45,740
White House lawn and give us the answers

1313
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,120
they could do it they're not doing it

1314
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:48,800
they are covering up the same as the

1315
00:53:53,050 --> 00:53:50,180
government is covering up for our

1316
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:53,060
particular Reese reason I don't know how

1317
00:53:57,790 --> 00:53:56,060
you would know what they're doing anyway

1318
00:53:59,770 --> 00:53:57,800
I mean it's like why are they covering

1319
00:54:01,300 --> 00:53:59,780
it up what's the purpose of that well

1320
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:01,310
that's speculation who knows whether why

1321
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,810
they're covering it up oh that's right

1322
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:04,160
that's that they're covering it up they

1323
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:05,960
could land on the White House lawn they

1324
00:54:11,110 --> 00:54:07,880
have not landed on the White House lawn

1325
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:11,120
that is as obvious as can be because

1326
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:13,370
saying that it's covered up is just as

1327
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:15,890
equally speculating and making some sort

1328
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:17,840
of crazy inferences as far as I'm

1329
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:19,850
concerned why would I why would I say

1330
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:21,170
that there how would I know that they're

1331
00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:22,640
covering it up because they're not

1332
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,260
staying on the White House lawn if they

1333
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,960
wanted to disclose what they were doing

1334
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:27,920
they would land on the White House lawn

1335
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,230
they have not done that I'm well aware

1336
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:32,240
that they haven't done that my point is

1337
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:35,180
that they they've allegedly been around

1338
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:35,720
the plan

1339
00:54:40,359 --> 00:54:38,390
on every aspect of this continent if

1340
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:40,369
they obviously they don't want to like

1341
00:54:44,109 --> 00:54:42,590
say why they're here but they give us

1342
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:44,119
little clues yes

1343
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,730
nuclear silos and various other kinds of

1344
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,520
messages I I don't disagree with that I

1345
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:52,240
just say that it's it's like these

1346
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,849
messages are so innocuous and we're just

1347
00:55:00,099 --> 00:54:58,160
trying to interpret them and we're using

1348
00:55:01,930 --> 00:55:00,109
our own it's like me understanding what

1349
00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:01,940
a dog thinks I mean how do I know what a

1350
00:55:06,849 --> 00:55:05,150
dog thinks maybe I can't even conceive

1351
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:06,859
of that and then plus if I've got an

1352
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:08,450
intellect and click travel from the

1353
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:10,430
other side of the galaxy or whatever how

1354
00:55:14,859 --> 00:55:11,900
would I claim to even understand that

1355
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:14,869
that alien intellect at all and yes it

1356
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:17,090
would look like magic it would be

1357
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:19,849
probably you know it would be something

1358
00:55:24,339 --> 00:55:21,590
that would be absolutely incredible

1359
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,349
and that's we're finding out but I don't

1360
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:27,440
see a piece of metal popping off of

1361
00:55:31,690 --> 00:55:30,080
something as being a message and that's

1362
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:31,700
what I guess I'm trying to say well how

1363
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:33,020
do you explain the metal in how do you

1364
00:55:36,490 --> 00:55:34,609
say there's no metal

1365
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:36,500
I don't solution or how are you

1366
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,450
explaining it I don't know how to

1367
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:40,160
explain it in fact we don't know enough

1368
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:42,140
about the craft themselves because we

1369
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:45,290
keep focusing on every other thing

1370
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:47,690
distracting away from what the actual

1371
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:50,450
objects are and we get involved in all

1372
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:52,609
these other dramas that go on in ufology

1373
00:55:56,770 --> 00:55:55,010
and we get we don't even focus on what's

1374
00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:56,780
what the objects are doing there are

1375
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,760
dozens of pieces of metal how do you

1376
00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:00,640
explain all these pieces of metal I

1377
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:03,230
don't know and I have it say that I

1378
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:05,330
investigated the case and I haven't said

1379
00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:06,740
that you know that we have a test of the

1380
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:08,540
metal and found that a lot of the metals

1381
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:10,430
that I'm aware of that have been tested

1382
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:12,530
have not been shown to be anything out

1383
00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:16,130
of a way of the earth I mean oh you

1384
00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:17,750
haven't investigated how would you know

1385
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:20,300
that what I'm saying is that other

1386
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:21,650
people have and I've read those

1387
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,990
documents and I've read that kind of

1388
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:26,900
literature and the valet one where he

1389
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:29,930
says the the mess up in the isotopes why

1390
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:31,339
would why would these where are the

1391
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,420
medals coming from where are these

1392
00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:34,160
little pieces I have the one that I

1393
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,080
found at the University of Arizona in

1394
00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:38,480
the McDonald collection that was taken

1395
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:41,900
to NASA for analysis 1939 comes flying

1396
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:42,650
out of the sky

1397
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:45,380
it's like a spike that ends up in the in

1398
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:47,210
the guy his garden he digs it out he

1399
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:49,010
gives it to his daughter in 1967 she

1400
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,520
takes

1401
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:52,880
the lab into in Tucson Arizona it's 99%

1402
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:55,310
metal it is totally nobody's ever come

1403
00:56:58,720 --> 00:56:56,810
to an explanation for that so I'm just

1404
00:57:01,359 --> 00:56:58,730
saying there's a lot of these materials

1405
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:01,369
piles probably five dozen of these

1406
00:57:06,010 --> 00:57:03,500
things and I'm just saying where is all

1407
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:06,020
this mail coming from okay well that's

1408
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:07,340
that's what you're entitled to say that

1409
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:09,320
I mean what watts or metal to that

1410
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:10,850
fellow asked I and are called you know

1411
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:12,950
asteroid meters and various other things

1412
00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:15,650
we didn't know what they were but we

1413
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:18,080
don't ascribe them to being alien we

1414
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:19,369
don't need to scrap them to being even

1415
00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:22,670
connected to UFOs we see frogs falling

1416
00:57:26,370 --> 00:57:25,070
out of the sky I mean we steal all kinds

1417
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:26,380
of things falling out of the sky

1418
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:29,090
fish fall out of the sky do we want to

1419
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:30,920
call those and connect them to UFOs

1420
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:33,050
because do we see a fish falling out or

1421
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:37,430
a toad no it's like I explained that if

1422
00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:38,750
a fish falls out of the sky what are you

1423
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:41,750
gonna say it is well it means something

1424
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:45,590
it means something is we haven't looked

1425
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:46,820
at the fact that there might have been a

1426
00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:48,560
tornado or a waterspout over there

1427
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:50,840
what's pinning them up and projecting

1428
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,430
them across so and landing somewhere

1429
00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:54,980
somewhere else just like we don't look

1430
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:56,420
at you know the fact that there might be

1431
00:58:01,240 --> 00:57:58,850
other kinds of explanations natural

1432
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:01,250
explanations for a lot of things we jump

1433
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:03,530
to the fact that it's alien very easily

1434
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:05,630
because we hear a boom in the sky and

1435
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:08,570
and and and we want to ascribe it to

1436
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:10,850
something like a UFO and it's what I'm

1437
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:12,950
seeing it's not a feeling I'm seeing a

1438
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:15,770
port this type of stuff is across all

1439
00:58:21,310 --> 00:58:19,160
paradigms it's in mediumship it's in all

1440
00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:21,320
sorts of stuff it's not just UFO this is

1441
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:23,390
very common in the world of the

1442
00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:25,310
paranormal if you take a look at Michael

1443
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:28,100
Talbot who wrote the book the the the

1444
00:58:32,109 --> 00:58:29,900
holographic universe he talks about as a

1445
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,119
child his father going up on the roof

1446
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:34,640
and shoveling gravel off the roof this

1447
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:37,430
stuff was happening with him and this is

1448
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:40,010
not uncommon this is not just UFO it is

1449
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:43,490
a characteristic of the paranormal

1450
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,230
consciousness world where these

1451
00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:47,359
paranormal things happen and the ports

1452
00:58:53,230 --> 00:58:51,140
are almost in every case a part of this

1453
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:53,240
phenomena it seems to be part of the

1454
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:54,740
structure of the universe rather than

1455
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:57,530
being an alien or a spirit or something

1456
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:58,130
like that

1457
00:59:03,069 --> 00:59:02,000
a chat and frankly this is a Michael it

1458
00:59:05,469 --> 00:59:03,079
I think I have a

1459
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:05,479
question that then I'd like to address

1460
00:59:09,489 --> 00:59:07,849
the grant if I could that we haven't

1461
00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:09,499
talked about regarding these the ports

1462
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:12,069
and that's basically the experiencer

1463
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:14,660
themselves being involved in this whole

1464
00:59:19,539 --> 00:59:18,079
issue of you know of courts appearing at

1465
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:19,549
a middle of nowhere and it kind of kicks

1466
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:22,670
in I believe with you know the the kid

1467
00:59:27,130 --> 00:59:24,410
green experiments that they're doing

1468
00:59:30,339 --> 00:59:27,140
with brain scans of experiencers and I'm

1469
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:30,349
wondering if grant can actually maybe

1470
00:59:35,999 --> 00:59:32,569
tie those two together the fact that

1471
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:36,009
these experiencers might be pre supposed

1472
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,289
yeah well that's that's what I'm finding

1473
00:59:48,279 --> 00:59:46,640
like now because I've never really asked

1474
00:59:50,709 --> 00:59:48,289
experiences about this now I'm starting

1475
00:59:52,569 --> 00:59:50,719
to ask and almost every single time they

1476
00:59:54,009 --> 00:59:52,579
talk about this kind of stuff so the

1477
00:59:55,479 --> 00:59:54,019
experience is it depends what your

1478
00:59:57,219 --> 00:59:55,489
worldview is I mean if you have a

1479
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,229
worldview that it's random meaningless

1480
01:00:00,969 --> 00:59:59,119
universe well then really nothing means

1481
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:00,979
anything but if you get into the idea

1482
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,690
that it may be a reincarnation world

1483
01:00:05,709 --> 01:00:04,400
that we live more than once well then

1484
01:00:07,150 --> 01:00:05,719
you start looking at people like the

1485
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:07,160
Moody Blues who said that they remember

1486
01:00:12,670 --> 01:00:08,809
before they were born that they're going

1487
01:00:15,059 --> 01:00:12,680
to be musicians and and that a lot of

1488
01:00:17,259 --> 01:00:15,069
people who have pre-light pre birth

1489
01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:17,269
experiences where they they believe that

1490
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:18,709
they remember before they were born

1491
01:00:24,189 --> 01:00:22,759
and it gets to be a world where it's

1492
01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:24,199
much more complex than we think it is

1493
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:26,299
same as the abduction phenomena is it a

1494
01:00:29,769 --> 01:00:28,249
random phenomena are people is the soul

1495
01:00:32,259 --> 01:00:29,779
contract are people agreeing to this

1496
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,269
kind of stuff and the aport phenomena is

1497
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:35,599
is just a part of a lot of experiences

1498
01:00:38,709 --> 01:00:37,369
lives when you start asking chris

1499
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:38,719
Bledsoe is probably the most famous one

1500
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,609
I mean and I didn't even remember until

1501
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:42,079
I saw these reports and I remember Chris

1502
01:00:45,849 --> 01:00:43,910
given me this marble and yeah I was

1503
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,859
there in 2013 when this bizarre

1504
01:00:49,449 --> 01:00:48,079
experience happen with the dog and I

1505
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:49,459
remember him showing me these marbles

1506
01:00:52,299 --> 01:00:50,930
he's look I'm finding these marbles all

1507
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,309
over the place these and there were

1508
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:53,839
different sizes and stuff and he gave me

1509
01:00:58,029 --> 01:00:55,940
a marble in 2013 it wasn't until after

1510
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,039
there's a fourth stuff started I go oh

1511
01:01:02,349 --> 01:01:00,079
Chris gave me one of these things it's

1512
01:01:04,569 --> 01:01:02,359
the same story it's like it's all over

1513
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:04,579
the place it is just so common I cannot

1514
01:01:10,479 --> 01:01:07,430
believe having not asked this question

1515
01:01:14,289 --> 01:01:10,489
to experiencers how common is experience

1516
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:14,299
of stuff moving around of you know the

1517
01:01:16,990 --> 01:01:15,650
feather is the thing that we had it

1518
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:17,000
wasn't even metal it was these

1519
01:01:22,180 --> 01:01:19,610
bizarre feather experiences where it was

1520
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:22,190
documented where we had like a dozen

1521
01:01:28,420 --> 01:01:25,970
witnesses and a dozen events and and you

1522
01:01:30,070 --> 01:01:28,430
see all this stuff tying together and I

1523
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,080
would say that the world is gonna be a

1524
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:31,760
lot less random than people think it is

1525
01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:33,470
people think it's just everything is

1526
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:35,480
happening accidental we're like a cork

1527
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:36,890
that's going down a stream and being

1528
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:40,010
influenced by stuff and I would say when

1529
01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:41,390
it comes down to it we're gonna be a lot

1530
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:43,190
more in control of what's going around

1531
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:45,530
us then we actually think that our mind

1532
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:48,140
is controlling even the beings if you

1533
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:49,460
take a look at the beings there are not

1534
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,070
like three different types of beings

1535
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:54,170
yeah when I look at grace people start

1536
01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:55,790
describing greys and then I get to I say

1537
01:01:59,470 --> 01:01:58,040
excrete describe exactly what the gray

1538
01:02:01,390 --> 01:01:59,480
looked like you start realizing that

1539
01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:01,400
every single gray is different people

1540
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:03,020
are describing different beings they

1541
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:05,570
it's almost like people like snowflakes

1542
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:07,970
like these sort of things that pattern

1543
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:09,770
into the universe that no two aliens are

1544
01:02:14,260 --> 01:02:12,260
the same and that people are the last

1545
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,270
guy this is what I'm gonna put on the

1546
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:16,160
YouTube is going up shortly this guy

1547
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:19,340
from from Israel and he talks about the

1548
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:22,880
fact that we and we actually are a big

1549
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:24,710
part of what type of ailing that we see

1550
01:02:28,330 --> 01:02:26,810
and so you get into this this sort of

1551
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:28,340
idea that that's what the aliens told

1552
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:32,950
him or we you get a lot of people I'm

1553
01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:36,470
surely wild is one who had this being da

1554
01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:38,420
she said to da are you actually an alien

1555
01:02:42,790 --> 01:02:41,180
and he said no I'm not and and you get

1556
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:42,800
people will ask these questions and you

1557
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:44,990
start realizing that this is just

1558
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:47,810
projections it's the old idea about if a

1559
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:50,210
if a alien turns into a ball of light

1560
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:52,490
and then disappears or if it comes out

1561
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:54,260
of a ball of light is that an alien

1562
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:55,880
turns it a ball of light and it if it's

1563
01:02:59,170 --> 01:02:57,410
a ball of light does it eat bacon eggs

1564
01:03:00,730 --> 01:02:59,180
toast and coffee in the morning the more

1565
01:03:04,650 --> 01:03:00,740
you look at the phenomena the less

1566
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:04,660
physical of phenomena starts to look

1567
01:03:12,790 --> 01:03:08,750
this is all so you know I find it

1568
01:03:15,130 --> 01:03:12,800
strange that every single suppose an ET

1569
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:15,140
encounter that people have that they're

1570
01:03:20,590 --> 01:03:18,020
always bipedal with a head two arms two

1571
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:20,600
legs and and sometimes I think that

1572
01:03:27,850 --> 01:03:24,920
perhaps this is that they appear this

1573
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:27,860
way in order to comfort us or to make it

1574
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:30,810
so that there's not quite as much

1575
01:03:38,570 --> 01:03:34,230
Shaak involved when when we meet one of

1576
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:38,580
these beers I think that you know who

1577
01:03:42,740 --> 01:03:40,350
knows what they actually look like I

1578
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:42,750
wonder if anybody's ever actually seen

1579
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:46,530
what our visitors actually look like or

1580
01:03:53,050 --> 01:03:49,500
whether you even could we may be talking

1581
01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:53,060
energy beings for talking balls of light

1582
01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:54,360
you know

1583
01:03:59,480 --> 01:03:57,180
that's it's kind of like obi-wan Kenobi

1584
01:04:05,660 --> 01:03:59,490
showing up you know and Star Wars after

1585
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:05,670
after he was you know dad it's a ball of

1586
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:09,000
light you know it's it's more in tune

1587
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:11,730
with a spirit being or something and so

1588
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:14,250
I wonder you know if anybody's actually

1589
01:04:19,550 --> 01:04:16,890
ever seen what would our visitors

1590
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,560
actually look like yeah a lot of them go

1591
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:21,480
back to this ball of light thing but if

1592
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:23,790
that's one of the reasons why the modern

1593
01:04:26,990 --> 01:04:25,410
science has had such a hard time with

1594
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:27,000
the alien thing is because we believe

1595
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:30,330
it's a random random universe where

1596
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:31,740
everything happens by accident and then

1597
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,090
you say well how could you possibly have

1598
01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:35,760
all these you know rolling 12 billion

1599
01:04:40,730 --> 01:04:38,790
double sixes in a row to create a human

1600
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:40,740
being and they say well it happened once

1601
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,630
get used to it but then if somebody says

1602
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:44,160
oh so there's another one that looks

1603
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,290
exactly like us you say well no it's

1604
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,760
random you couldn't possibly have the

1605
01:04:52,790 --> 01:04:49,920
same accident happen twice on another

1606
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:52,800
part of the galaxy and so that's why

1607
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,930
there's been this this backlash against

1608
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,760
aliens that look like us but what I

1609
01:05:00,170 --> 01:04:58,740
would say is if there's oxygen in this

1610
01:05:02,180 --> 01:05:00,180
part of the university's oxygen over

1611
01:05:03,620 --> 01:05:02,190
there if there's DNA here there's DNA

1612
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:03,630
there if they're stars here they're

1613
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:05,490
stars there it's a pattern of the

1614
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,130
universe and we it's not it the world is

1615
01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:10,880
not random meaningless its

1616
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:12,900
self-organizing the universe is life

1617
01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:15,270
itself organizing and what happens here

1618
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:16,620
will happen in other places in the

1619
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:19,650
universe as well panspermia could you

1620
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:21,780
know but that was the explanation they

1621
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:23,730
used to try to get out of it to try to

1622
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:25,830
explain away the fact that these aliens

1623
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:28,230
look like us and if and I asked the guy

1624
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:30,510
who has the big cameras name he has the

1625
01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:33,930
big humanoid catalog 20,000 I said to

1626
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:36,120
him I said so how many actual alien

1627
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,890
types are there and he said I'm really

1628
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:38,940
counted but it's got to be over a

1629
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:41,130
thousand so you've got this random

1630
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:44,310
meaningless accident that that took 13

1631
01:05:46,610 --> 01:05:44,580
Billy

1632
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,620
years that all these chances and then a

1633
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:48,540
thousand times it all comes out the same

1634
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:50,370
which would tend to indicate that it's

1635
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:52,470
it's self-organizing that the pattern

1636
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:53,850
will happen no matter where you are in

1637
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:55,380
the universe if you get the thing going

1638
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,540
it's going to end up being by Peola

1639
01:06:02,540 --> 01:06:00,420
and and looking big basically the same

1640
01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:02,550
the same as stars will look the same in

1641
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:04,950
the other side of the universe as they

1642
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:07,710
look here or you know the oxygen or

1643
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:09,570
everything is going to be duplicated all

1644
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:10,980
through the universe it's following the

1645
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:14,370
same self-organizing pattern well some

1646
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,230
of it looks artificial though I mean

1647
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,400
like they'll report like beings but

1648
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:22,260
they're made out of balls little balls

1649
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:24,030
of light and they can little balls of

1650
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:26,730
light can fly apart or they can make go

1651
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:28,200
together and look like a human or

1652
01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:30,810
there's ones that seem to be force

1653
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:33,900
fields some you can see through and all

1654
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:35,400
kinds of things like they're imitating

1655
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:39,570
people yeah and and you get the thing

1656
01:06:43,940 --> 01:06:41,220
where people are being moved like people

1657
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:43,950
are being moved onto the ship they will

1658
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:45,930
describe the fact that it's not like

1659
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:48,210
they're physical anymore they they sort

1660
01:06:52,250 --> 01:06:50,490
of are teleported there or they move

1661
01:06:54,860 --> 01:06:52,260
through the wall or there's something

1662
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:54,870
beyond the physical world that when you

1663
01:06:57,890 --> 01:06:56,430
start listening to these experiencers

1664
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:57,900
talk about how they went onto the ship

1665
01:07:00,680 --> 01:06:59,490
you start realizing we're missing

1666
01:07:02,890 --> 01:07:00,690
something here and if we can figure out

1667
01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:02,900
what that is we can actually advance

1668
01:07:07,010 --> 01:07:05,400
beyond what we have right now because if

1669
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,020
we can continue to believe what we have

1670
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:08,640
right now we're not going to dance the

1671
01:07:11,870 --> 01:07:10,380
only way you advance is to look at the

1672
01:07:14,450 --> 01:07:11,880
things that don't make any sense and

1673
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:14,460
that will explain something that's new

1674
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:16,650
that will move you to the next step I

1675
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:19,740
have a question for the panel and that

1676
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:25,020
is does the the topic of teleportation

1677
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:28,140
does that violate any laws of physics

1678
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:30,690
rich I'd like to start with you on that

1679
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:37,380
and then hear from everybody else I mean

1680
01:07:43,850 --> 01:07:40,250
we all know that the laws of physics are

1681
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:43,860
being broken and if you look at the

1682
01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:47,130
tic-tac object the alone right there

1683
01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:49,560
it's breaking laws of physics I think

1684
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:51,360
that there's it's safe to say that we

1685
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:53,220
haven't learned all the physics that we

1686
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:56,760
haven't learned all the science yet you

1687
01:08:01,680 --> 01:07:58,650
know and so

1688
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:01,690
teleportation or any kind of like things

1689
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:05,170
like that that might be happening

1690
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:07,569
we just don't know and it's gonna take a

1691
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:09,640
while before science will catch up with

1692
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:11,770
it anyway I to be honest with you I

1693
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:14,890
think that you know going back to your

1694
01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:17,290
thought process and with Einstein yes he

1695
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,000
used thought experiments to be able to

1696
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:21,279
do things so we speculate yeah we do

1697
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:23,020
speculate but I don't jump to

1698
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:26,799
conclusions too while hey you know like

1699
01:08:30,780 --> 01:08:28,330
obviously that they're all from the

1700
01:08:34,050 --> 01:08:30,790
planet Zeta Reticuli or something of

1701
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:34,060
that nature or like you know something a

1702
01:08:36,539 --> 01:08:35,440
little bit more substantial than that

1703
01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:36,549
that I can actually put into a

1704
01:08:42,539 --> 01:08:38,739
hypothesis and actually begin to look at

1705
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:42,549
and test you know we're starting to do

1706
01:08:48,419 --> 01:08:45,580
experiments with that in in the in the

1707
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:48,429
physics world we're starting to

1708
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:50,290
understand that you know that there's

1709
01:08:54,329 --> 01:08:52,330
some courting communication between two

1710
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:54,339
particles at a distance and that's

1711
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,170
really spooky to us because we don't see

1712
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:58,630
anything between it but yet we don't see

1713
01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:01,230
a lot of things because the entire

1714
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:04,420
electromagnetic spectrum goes on

1715
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,420
infinitely in either side in front of or

1716
01:09:12,510 --> 01:09:10,239
in fact of the visible range so we just

1717
01:09:14,599 --> 01:09:12,520
don't know what we don't know and what

1718
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:14,609
we can't what we haven't found out yet

1719
01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:17,650
and I think that just more exploration

1720
01:09:22,289 --> 01:09:20,020
and and needs to be done and I think we

1721
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:22,299
need to get beyond the visible if you

1722
01:09:25,919 --> 01:09:24,190
would and spend a little time in these

1723
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:25,929
other parts of the spectrum we might

1724
01:09:33,059 --> 01:09:30,790
learn a little bit more okay yeah anyway

1725
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:33,069
anyone else want to grab that well

1726
01:09:38,519 --> 01:09:35,290
they're questions there's like

1727
01:09:41,610 --> 01:09:38,529
prosaically there's evidence that

1728
01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:41,620
lightning balls can go through walls and

1729
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:43,989
things like that and I think keeping em

1730
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:48,880
install a million Corliss has documented

1731
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:51,940
a tremendous number of excellent cases

1732
01:09:58,290 --> 01:09:55,810
of that it is very well defined books

1733
01:10:00,030 --> 01:09:58,300
and he's put together where science

1734
01:10:01,470 --> 01:10:00,040
doesn't really understand a lot of that

1735
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:01,480
phenomena it's like the it's like the

1736
01:10:04,979 --> 01:10:03,310
balls of light that we're seeing over

1737
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:04,989
here about an hour away from me that I'm

1738
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:08,159
investigating I mean those

1739
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:10,500
and by the way I'll go back to talking

1740
01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:12,030
about the fact that when I was doing the

1741
01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:14,040
investigation on these balls of light if

1742
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:15,870
you would and they're about eight foot

1743
01:10:18,979 --> 01:10:17,370
in diameter there's no being on the

1744
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:18,989
inside of them but I mean the bottom

1745
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,659
line is that they're they range from two

1746
01:10:25,129 --> 01:10:23,580
feet to four feet to eight feet and

1747
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:25,139
depending upon what time of year you

1748
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:26,760
look at them and their chemical

1749
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:29,460
composition is made up of largely oxygen

1750
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:34,770
nitrogen we see sulfur we see iron we

1751
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:38,280
see either scandium or yttrium in it as

1752
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,199
a chemical and so we know it's a

1753
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:43,199
chemical process and one of the one of

1754
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:45,179
the witnesses over there happened to be

1755
01:10:49,879 --> 01:10:47,690
saying that he was in vietnam and he

1756
01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:49,889
apparently had some sort of equipment

1757
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:51,719
and they actually was doing some tests

1758
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,940
and they found that sulfur was a common

1759
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:55,440
ingredient and loved those things in

1760
01:11:02,000 --> 01:10:59,370
Vietnam and so uh you know if you think

1761
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:02,010
about all the the bombs that were

1762
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:03,900
dropped and the various gases that were

1763
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:06,780
that were used and and just in a swampy

1764
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:09,090
area and and all that wonderful stuff

1765
01:11:13,459 --> 01:11:11,850
mixing together as a big stew a lot of

1766
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,469
the things that we're seeing in Vietnam

1767
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:15,600
could be readily explained as being that

1768
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:18,570
natural phenomena like estulin like you

1769
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,100
know the Brown Mountain lights and so on

1770
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:23,460
and so forth and and so yeah there are a

1771
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:25,110
lot of these kinds of things out there

1772
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:27,960
that are often seen and they glow and

1773
01:11:34,250 --> 01:11:30,540
they they they are misinterpreted as

1774
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:34,260
being UFOs when it comes to

1775
01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:36,650
teleportation I think you got a sort of

1776
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:38,580
realize you're bringing a lot of baggage

1777
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:42,690
with that description you have other

1778
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:45,030
things that I think might better

1779
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:46,260
describe it no that's right I'm

1780
01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:48,120
mentioning the portal thing or even if

1781
01:11:52,220 --> 01:11:50,310
you look at remote viewing with the if

1782
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:52,230
you look at Jimmy Carter's diary Jimmy

1783
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:53,610
Carter talks about the most amazing

1784
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:55,380
thing he saw his entire time as

1785
01:12:00,580 --> 01:11:57,090
president was when these two remote

1786
01:12:02,899 --> 01:12:00,590
viewers picked off this Tupelo 22

1787
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:02,909
Intelligence Platform plane that the

1788
01:12:07,340 --> 01:12:04,650
Russians were using the crashed and in

1789
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:07,350
northern Africa and they had one @sr eye

1790
01:12:11,959 --> 01:12:09,480
and one at wright-patterson Air Force

1791
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:11,969
Base that both identified this plane in

1792
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:15,420
the jungle in this in this river with

1793
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,850
the the tail sticking up and then if

1794
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:19,260
they were trying to fight with the

1795
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:20,340
satellites they couldn't find it but

1796
01:12:24,170 --> 01:12:22,050
then once they identified were

1797
01:12:25,670 --> 01:12:24,180
was these two remote viewers they picked

1798
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:25,680
it up and within an hour they had this

1799
01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:27,060
thing Jimmy Carter said was the most

1800
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:28,230
amazing thing when you started looking

1801
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:29,850
at that kind of stuff where people are

1802
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,380
able to use their mind and move around

1803
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,600
you realize that's where you're getting

1804
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,100
into the sort of teleportation thing

1805
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:37,440
that we've got a lot of we're making

1806
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:39,750
mistakes it's not so much that it's

1807
01:12:43,730 --> 01:12:41,400
something we got to add we've got to

1808
01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:43,740
make we've got to get rid of a lot of

1809
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:45,900
the garbage that we believe in order to

1810
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:47,430
realize how this is going to work and

1811
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:48,450
move to the next step

1812
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:51,330
remote viewing shows clearly that our

1813
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:53,690
idea of the physical universe is not

1814
01:12:59,150 --> 01:12:56,820
totally correct and just to jump in here

1815
01:13:01,340 --> 01:12:59,160
with a little plug for my show we are

1816
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:01,350
going to do some live remote viewing we

1817
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:03,690
want to set up the protocols and I would

1818
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:06,570
invite anyone to help us brainstorm with

1819
01:13:10,340 --> 01:13:08,190
that or appear and try their hand at

1820
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:10,350
some live remote viewing where we are

1821
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:14,430
going to do that and try to see if we

1822
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,010
can make it work in a live fashion and

1823
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:19,140
really we want to get those protocols

1824
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:21,150
really tight so I'd appreciate anyone's

1825
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:22,650
feedback on that if you want to give it

1826
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:26,790
to me later or not I'll just point out

1827
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:29,490
that even if you look at what Jo Jo

1828
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:30,900
mcmoneagle who was one of the most

1829
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:34,380
successful remote viewers I think an

1830
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:36,360
incredible guy I mean what he flat out

1831
01:13:40,670 --> 01:13:38,910
tells you is not everybody is accurate

1832
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:40,680
in terms of what they Remote View and

1833
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:44,220
that there's only a small number of

1834
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:46,620
those people that are actually what he

1835
01:13:50,690 --> 01:13:48,810
called I guess the the ones that are I

1836
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:50,700
he had a term for it I don't never know

1837
01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:54,900
what it was but um so again I go back to

1838
01:14:00,380 --> 01:13:56,910
the fact that we we try to interpret

1839
01:14:02,150 --> 01:14:00,390
that and we look at it and and I met

1840
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:02,160
with Hal put off when he was at our

1841
01:14:06,170 --> 01:14:04,140
conference and we asked him that

1842
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:06,180
point-blank can we use remote viewing to

1843
01:14:14,030 --> 01:14:08,360
be able to help us understand he said no

1844
01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:14,040
it's too imprecise so I go of that I go

1845
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:16,200
with what Hal says because he's been

1846
01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:18,150
around a lot longer than I have but

1847
01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:20,070
we're gonna we're gonna try to make it

1848
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:21,750
as complicated as possible we're gonna

1849
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:24,840
use random number generators to select

1850
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:27,630
independent image target databases and

1851
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:29,430
then we're gonna try to put that as many

1852
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:31,830
controls in there as possible and we're

1853
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,570
gonna give this thing a whirl probably

1854
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:34,800
before the end of the month so it's

1855
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:35,460
going to be a lot of

1856
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:37,080
we'll see what happens it'll be an

1857
01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:41,610
experiment you know get Russell Targ you

1858
01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:44,100
made $250,000 in the silver future

1859
01:14:52,190 --> 01:14:47,420
market he can play your little game so

1860
01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:52,200
Targa's good this is a roll so we were

1861
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,230
talking about the teleportation and the

1862
01:15:01,040 --> 01:14:57,540
phenomenon whether science allows for it

1863
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:01,050
and the more I find the more cases that

1864
01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:03,330
I do and the more I learned about UFOs I

1865
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,180
see UFOs as large objects that act like

1866
01:15:10,190 --> 01:15:08,760
the very smallest objects you know now

1867
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:10,200
you may think about them in a

1868
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:12,810
nuts-and-bolts fashion but you know it's

1869
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:15,239
just science makes up nonsense words

1870
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:18,030
like a wit like way vocal to explain a

1871
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:27,680
Earl you wind up disturbing the universe

1872
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:32,250
just by looking at the process yes Frank

1873
01:15:39,310 --> 01:15:34,530
oh you broke up a little bit sorry about

1874
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:41,810
did you hear most of what I said

1875
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:45,090
yeah but we missed a bit okay well UFOs

1876
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:47,610
act like they're they're large objects

1877
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:49,770
that act like the smallest objects that

1878
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:52,650
they kind of manifest themselves like a

1879
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:55,050
particle can turn into a wave and vice

1880
01:15:59,780 --> 01:15:57,690
versa science makes up nonsense words

1881
01:16:02,600 --> 01:15:59,790
like like wavicles because they just

1882
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,610
don't really understand you know what's

1883
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:04,800
going on there and I think that it's the

1884
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,170
same thing with with the UFO phenomenon

1885
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:09,960
and and you know that some of the

1886
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:12,390
paranormal like qualities and the fuzzy

1887
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:15,690
edges to the science around it it's not

1888
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:18,150
so much that's paranormal as that we

1889
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:20,340
just need to expand our idea of what

1890
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:23,010
normal is you have to remember that it

1891
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:26,070
was just a couple of centuries ago that

1892
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:28,230
science didn't even accept the idea that

1893
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:30,510
if a rock could fall out of the sky

1894
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,550
you know meteors with people that saw

1895
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:34,800
meteors they were considered cooks you

1896
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,500
know tinfoil hat wearers and now of

1897
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:39,719
course we know that rocks fall out of

1898
01:16:44,690 --> 01:16:41,850
the sky it's a part of the universe and

1899
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:44,700
you know it's just that we have not

1900
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:46,050
gotten to the point where we can

1901
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:48,330
understand it yet maybe we won't ever

1902
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:48,890
understand

1903
01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:53,450
it may be that beyond us but to me you

1904
01:16:58,150 --> 01:16:55,400
know it just it's just like quantum

1905
01:17:00,220 --> 01:16:58,160
physics it sounds like you know the

1906
01:17:02,830 --> 01:17:00,230
magic that arthur c clarke talked about

1907
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,840
any sufficiently advanced technology is

1908
01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:05,360
indistinguishable from magic

1909
01:17:09,550 --> 01:17:07,430
and it seems like magic to us but it's

1910
01:17:13,050 --> 01:17:09,560
just really high technology that that's

1911
01:17:17,740 --> 01:17:13,060
just my opinion on the phenomenon

1912
01:17:21,820 --> 01:17:17,750
teleportation why not all right Shane

1913
01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:21,830
here I was going to say to you know

1914
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:26,230
whether it's the ports or UFOs or other

1915
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:30,560
paranormal activity I mean we may not

1916
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:33,860
know what they are we may not know the

1917
01:17:40,030 --> 01:17:36,770
cause we may not know even the effects

1918
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:40,040
but at a minimum you know we know that

1919
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:43,610
they are and if they are and they exist

1920
01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:46,880
and certainly it's worth study you know

1921
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:50,900
and and again whether they're related to

1922
01:17:53,470 --> 01:17:52,730
each other or not I don't think that's

1923
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:53,480
been proven

1924
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:56,390
we could have separate standalone

1925
01:18:01,480 --> 01:17:59,090
phenomena or they could be related but

1926
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:01,490
the point really is discussing it

1927
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:04,400
researching it trying to apply science

1928
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,290
to it I mean those are very logical

1929
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:08,000
things and the thing that we should all

1930
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:10,010
be doing yeah that's right you got to

1931
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:11,330
look at the weird stuff that's where you

1932
01:18:13,810 --> 01:18:12,890
start making advances the stuff that

1933
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:13,820
doesn't make sense

1934
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:15,470
you don't hit anywhere by explaining

1935
01:18:20,260 --> 01:18:17,510
stuff that makes sense oh great upon

1936
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:20,270
yeah and I think speculation is okay

1937
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:22,970
okay I just think it's important to say

1938
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:25,790
when you're speculating and when you've

1939
01:18:32,050 --> 01:18:29,120
got some facts you know precisely I

1940
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:32,060
think you know it's one thing to yeah we

1941
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:34,130
can we can put a hypothesis together and

1942
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:35,750
we can test the hypothesis to see if

1943
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,370
it's accurate we can do then the null

1944
01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:38,960
hypothesis we can do all of the

1945
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:40,820
wonderful things according to science

1946
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:43,790
but what I see most often is immediate

1947
01:18:49,690 --> 01:18:46,610
quantum leap jumps into something being

1948
01:18:52,330 --> 01:18:49,700
you know from someplace or whatever like

1949
01:18:54,130 --> 01:18:52,340
that like we know that it's got the like

1950
01:18:56,110 --> 01:18:54,140
I think I said this before like if there

1951
01:18:57,820 --> 01:18:56,120
was a hubcap on the back end of it where

1952
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,830
it's got you know it's got the license

1953
01:19:01,930 --> 01:18:59,600
plate it's telling ya they don't take

1954
01:19:04,450 --> 01:19:01,940
you lie and we just don't see that

1955
01:19:06,490 --> 01:19:04,460
just because something comes and pops in

1956
01:19:09,550 --> 01:19:06,500
and view and pops out of you doesn't

1957
01:19:12,820 --> 01:19:09,560
mean that it D materialized either or

1958
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:12,830
that it necessarily did a jump to some

1959
01:19:17,410 --> 01:19:15,080
other I mean hypothetically I jump to

1960
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:17,420
another place I mean there's a lot of

1961
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:19,730
things that can that I can explain you

1962
01:19:24,970 --> 01:19:22,520
know that we would that could be counter

1963
01:19:28,210 --> 01:19:24,980
arguments that would account for that

1964
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:28,220
and and we just don't know I mean and so

1965
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:30,380
yeah we start off with a little bit of

1966
01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:32,450
speculation and we believe that this

1967
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:34,280
might be the case and but we look to

1968
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:36,070
trying to like add science into it and

1969
01:19:42,970 --> 01:19:38,570
that's where I'm trying to emphasize

1970
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:42,980
that we need to do that yeah I've had so

1971
01:19:47,230 --> 01:19:45,530
many people over 55 years that walk up

1972
01:19:49,780 --> 01:19:47,240
to me and say well I see a hundred UFOs

1973
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:49,790
a day you know or something of that

1974
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:51,890
nature right I had one woman who was

1975
01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:54,260
declaring that she had a an alien that

1976
01:19:57,970 --> 01:19:56,510
was getting into her body and all this

1977
01:20:00,130 --> 01:19:57,980
other stuff and we were like she was

1978
01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:00,140
going on and on and talking about that

1979
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,140
and it seemed to me more like a demonic

1980
01:20:06,850 --> 01:20:05,120
kind of thing as opposed to a saucer

1981
01:20:08,380 --> 01:20:06,860
thing but you know and just a lot of

1982
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:08,390
people wanted to speculate and say well

1983
01:20:12,370 --> 01:20:09,850
ways you have folks

1984
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:12,380
Earle actually we were talking about

1985
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:14,630
that possibility regarding paranormal

1986
01:20:22,660 --> 01:20:19,370
phenomena how teleportation or a ports

1987
01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:22,670
may not be related to such a narrow

1988
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:27,350
topic but actually it might be more

1989
01:20:32,890 --> 01:20:29,330
correct to say that it also involves the

1990
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:32,900
paranormal area to the aspect meaning

1991
01:20:37,090 --> 01:20:35,480
poltergeist activity do you have any

1992
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:37,100
information on that to share whether

1993
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:40,310
it's anecdotal or not Earl well I know

1994
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:42,590
you know in you know I'm a member of

1995
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:45,610
Kathleen Martin and George medic just

1996
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:48,610
experienced a research team with MUFON

1997
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,330
and just in all you know the many many

1998
01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:55,840
experience or cases that that I have

1999
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:58,510
closed

2000
01:21:04,210 --> 01:21:01,760
there are paranormal like aspects that

2001
01:21:06,490 --> 01:21:04,220
that are always there and now it may be

2002
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:06,500
like poltergeist type activity that

2003
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:08,810
happens to a person the you know right

2004
01:21:13,690 --> 01:21:10,670
after they've either been visited or

2005
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:13,700
taken is very very common there is one

2006
01:21:17,959 --> 01:21:16,020
case that Kathleen closed where

2007
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:17,969
they observed a gentleman and he would

2008
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:19,590
walk under the streetlights this was a

2009
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:21,480
day after he had been abducted and the

2010
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:23,489
streetlights would turn off as he would

2011
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:26,730
walk under them as he would move past

2012
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:29,090
the streetlight it would turn back on

2013
01:21:34,510 --> 01:21:31,770
and this was observed by I believe it

2014
01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:34,520
was both Kathleen and Denise stone or

2015
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:39,080
observed this I've had many many people

2016
01:21:45,290 --> 01:21:42,630
who is you know the lights will turn off

2017
01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:45,300
when they walk into a room or it'll

2018
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:48,179
affect their iPhone or and and this also

2019
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:52,980
happens no you dropped off I'll just

2020
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:56,670
jump in here or are you back can you

2021
01:21:59,959 --> 01:21:58,770
hear me yeah you dropped off again sorry

2022
01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:59,969
about though I don't know what happened

2023
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:00,870
there

2024
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:05,010
well yeah anyway we do see recurring

2025
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:07,800
it's very very common to see paranormal

2026
01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:13,530
like events happen around an experiencer

2027
01:22:19,820 --> 01:22:16,980
right after they've had contact you know

2028
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:19,830
non earthly beings that's just a thing I

2029
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:21,570
mean it just over and over and over

2030
01:22:27,709 --> 01:22:25,800
again I hear it you know that George met

2031
01:22:29,149 --> 01:22:27,719
it's that you had mentioned is and I

2032
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,159
can't remember if I guy I think I got

2033
01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:31,380
that from you but or on an earlier

2034
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:33,239
appearance but that George managed is

2035
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,060
the very same dock metates you used to

2036
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:39,360
pitch for the Yankees that is

2037
01:22:42,860 --> 01:22:41,310
extraordinary to me and which I which

2038
01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:42,870
brings up an interesting point because

2039
01:22:47,180 --> 01:22:45,080
grant I know you spend a lot of time

2040
01:22:50,209 --> 01:22:47,190
following it seems in particular

2041
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:50,219
musicians who have had these kinds of

2042
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:52,710
experiences we don't get too much from

2043
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:55,800
pro athletes obviously doc metates is

2044
01:22:59,419 --> 01:22:57,300
heavily involved in this there have been

2045
01:23:02,840 --> 01:22:59,429
some others the late pete marriage

2046
01:23:06,620 --> 01:23:02,850
Maravich was a big time UFO buff we see

2047
01:23:09,979 --> 01:23:06,630
Jose Canseco dipping his nose into this

2048
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:09,989
a little bit also Aaron Rodgers had

2049
01:23:13,550 --> 01:23:11,670
talked about a sighting that he had up

2050
01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:13,560
in the Hudson Valley right before the

2051
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:16,980
NFL Draft why do you want to speculate a

2052
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:19,530
little bit on why we see so much from

2053
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:22,409
the artists the the musicians and very

2054
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:24,330
little from the pro jocks what's going

2055
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,679
on there I know you're a hockey fan

2056
01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:28,020
what's up with that well to me it's

2057
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:29,260
always right brain left brain

2058
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:30,610
I'm doing a book called contact

2059
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:33,130
modalities so your your musicians are

2060
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,080
right brained it's like when they asked

2061
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:38,320
Roger Leir who did the implants in in in

2062
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:40,510
17 implants they asked him what are the

2063
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:42,520
two common things with all experiencers

2064
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,950
he said they're they're all creative

2065
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:46,960
people in there and they're all right

2066
01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:48,850
brained creative people and all implants

2067
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:50,740
on the left side of the body and in his

2068
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:52,870
book he talked about the 250 implants

2069
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:54,850
with him and Sims on the left side of

2070
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:56,770
the body which would indicate the left

2071
01:24:00,120 --> 01:23:57,850
side of the body is run by the right

2072
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:00,130
brain that whoever's putting the

2073
01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:01,510
implants are not really interested in

2074
01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:02,980
your rational analytical brain they're

2075
01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:05,500
interested in in the in the right brain

2076
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:07,270
the creative brain you see a lot of

2077
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:09,850
experiences are very good artists you

2078
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:11,260
fill out you find a lot of musicians I

2079
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:12,850
remember I was doing I was at Bubba

2080
01:24:17,820 --> 01:24:15,610
Watson's a friend of mine is golf's with

2081
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:17,830
Bubba Watson and in Scottsdale I was at

2082
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,480
the golf club there they got me to do a

2083
01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:21,280
lecture and they were trying to block me

2084
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:23,800
they these guys were furious you're not

2085
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:24,880
bringing this guy and they had this

2086
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:27,010
Friday morning breakfast thing where

2087
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:28,990
they'd have a speaker and nobody wanted

2088
01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:30,850
the UFO guy there and my friend had

2089
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:32,590
enough power he got me in there but

2090
01:24:36,630 --> 01:24:34,780
anyway I said well I'm gonna find a

2091
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:36,640
golfer and you think I could find a

2092
01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:38,380
golfer to eat I haven't even had a

2093
01:24:41,550 --> 01:24:39,820
sighting it was unbelievable I couldn't

2094
01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:41,560
find anything and yet if you take a

2095
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:45,400
musician and UFO the screen will light

2096
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:47,260
up or if you take musician and dreams

2097
01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:49,330
how many get songs and dreams and we're

2098
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:50,620
talking about the scientific method it

2099
01:24:54,510 --> 01:24:52,930
came in a dream you get all these these

2100
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:54,520
sort of things when you get into

2101
01:24:58,050 --> 01:24:56,230
creativity in this whole right brain

2102
01:25:00,300 --> 01:24:58,060
left brain thing which i think is a big

2103
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:00,310
part of understanding how that all this

2104
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:02,230
stuff works that the very right brain

2105
01:25:08,460 --> 01:25:07,060
creative people are more open to it they

2106
01:25:09,690 --> 01:25:08,470
don't block it and that's where you get

2107
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:09,700
the experience who's talking about the

2108
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:13,150
being that it's almost like John Wheeler

2109
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:15,190
said the Nobel Prize winner they came up

2110
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:16,480
with the idea of black holes and

2111
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:18,610
wormholes said it's a participatory

2112
01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:21,340
universe so we got to realize that a lot

2113
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:24,100
of what you see is being determined by

2114
01:25:29,130 --> 01:25:26,710
you that it's this whole idea that you

2115
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:29,140
interact with the the world around you

2116
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:31,030
and so if you're a very right brain same

2117
01:25:34,890 --> 01:25:33,550
as the remote viewing I remember I I got

2118
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:34,900
this idea and that's when I went to help

2119
01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:37,450
put off and I said hell when you did the

2120
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,880
remote viewing did you get the right

2121
01:25:43,229 --> 01:25:41,920
brain left brain thing going and he said

2122
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:43,239
read chapter 6

2123
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:44,890
and I go in it's like in one brain and

2124
01:25:48,030 --> 01:25:46,270
they out the others chapter 6 of his

2125
01:25:50,430 --> 01:25:48,040
book and he talked about the fact that

2126
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:50,440
his wife picked this up that remote

2127
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:52,840
viewing is very right brained that that

2128
01:25:59,070 --> 01:25:56,290
that the people were getting the texture

2129
01:26:01,229 --> 01:25:59,080
the shape the color right but they were

2130
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:01,239
getting the location or the actual name

2131
01:26:06,090 --> 01:26:04,540
of the event or the place the size of it

2132
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:06,100
all wrong it's all left brain but all

2133
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:07,210
the right brain things they were very

2134
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:10,150
good at and so back in the 1970s already

2135
01:26:13,770 --> 01:26:12,010
they knew this connection to the to the

2136
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:13,780
right brain so what I say it's basically

2137
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:16,090
it's the ability to shut down your left

2138
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:17,890
brain your rational medical brain

2139
01:26:24,750 --> 01:26:21,300
whether it's through hypnosis regression

2140
01:26:27,959 --> 01:26:24,760
psychedelics meditation whatever and

2141
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,969
open up and musicians can open up and so

2142
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:29,920
you get guys like you know John Lennon

2143
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:31,810
who had lights on his craft and they

2144
01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:34,170
weren't the plasma type lights they were

2145
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:36,460
big white lights that were flashing off

2146
01:26:39,660 --> 01:26:38,260
and on and a red light on top and I

2147
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,670
always make the joke about John Lennon

2148
01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:41,440
and I say I mean do you need big huge

2149
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:43,780
you know marquee lightbulbs on the side

2150
01:26:47,010 --> 01:26:45,310
of the craft to fly through time and

2151
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:47,020
space it was it was quite evident there

2152
01:26:50,190 --> 01:26:48,370
was just something for him to see into a

2153
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:50,200
report and he was close to nothing to

2154
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:51,489
hit with a brick he was that close to

2155
01:26:57,450 --> 01:26:54,730
the object so musicians it's a big thing

2156
01:27:01,280 --> 01:26:57,460
and a lot of you'll you'll find a lot of

2157
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:01,290
right-brain artists are involved

2158
01:27:05,610 --> 01:27:04,000
experiences piles of experiences who

2159
01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:05,620
suddenly get this thing with their paint

2160
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:07,540
they're unbelievable painters you get

2161
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:10,330
that very direct connection to this sort

2162
01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:12,580
of thing about the female brain the

2163
01:27:16,170 --> 01:27:14,140
right brain whatever you want to call it

2164
01:27:19,530 --> 01:27:16,180
and it's the ability to shut down the

2165
01:27:23,209 --> 01:27:19,540
rational analytical brain and you you

2166
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:23,219
pop into this world of the paranormal

2167
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:26,110
now let me yeah yeah let's follow up

2168
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:28,690
with this a little bit and get your

2169
01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:31,270
feedback as well you've also got a once

2170
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:39,090
anecdotes from scientists Kary Mullis

2171
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:42,420
Nobel Prize winner Jack Sarfati

2172
01:27:49,050 --> 01:27:46,330
ram anujan the mathematician where they

2173
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:49,060
have these experience experiences that

2174
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:50,680
lead to these kinds of breakthroughs and

2175
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:52,420
that jan had mentioned before Einstein

2176
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:54,370
you know wrote the forward to the book

2177
01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:56,449
by Upton Sinclair

2178
01:28:02,380 --> 01:27:59,090
- radio saying you know don't overlook

2179
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:02,390
this stuff any thoughts on that yeah

2180
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:04,010
well you have you have I wrote a book

2181
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:05,690
called inspired the paranormal world of

2182
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:07,250
creativity and I look at all those

2183
01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:08,480
different things so I look at artists I

2184
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:13,190
look at musicians I look at 13 or 14

2185
01:28:17,260 --> 01:28:15,710
Nobel Prizes where you think well the

2186
01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:17,270
rationale and I could figure this thing

2187
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:19,670
out no it's like when you quite knit

2188
01:28:24,910 --> 01:28:22,880
down like the when you shut down the

2189
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:24,920
left brain so when you get the laser

2190
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:27,290
he's sitting on a park bench and he'd

2191
01:28:29,950 --> 01:28:28,610
done all the work he'd put all the stuff

2192
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,960
in and then suddenly got this

2193
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:32,000
inspiration the hologram came the same

2194
01:28:36,729 --> 01:28:34,550
way if you take a look at Gary Nolan

2195
01:28:38,890 --> 01:28:36,739
talks about this this creativity thing

2196
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:38,900
he says I don't know how it works he

2197
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:41,510
says but I know how to do it he says I

2198
01:28:45,490 --> 01:28:43,190
go through all this stuff I get it

2199
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:45,500
already I ask all the questions and I

2200
01:28:49,150 --> 01:28:47,630
put it out and I go to bed and I wake up

2201
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:49,160
in the morning it's in my head and you

2202
01:28:52,959 --> 01:28:51,380
hear this all the time so when you go to

2203
01:28:54,459 --> 01:28:52,969
bed that's when your right brain is that

2204
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:54,469
you were your left brain shuts down and

2205
01:28:59,200 --> 01:28:57,199
the left brain can go or the right brain

2206
01:29:00,640 --> 01:28:59,210
can go into the field and grab this

2207
01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:00,650
material and come back so that's my

2208
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:03,260
theory is is this sort of you're able to

2209
01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:05,449
dissociate to move into the field so you

2210
01:29:12,370 --> 01:29:09,350
have a lot of these things that that

2211
01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:12,380
link into this and it involves you know

2212
01:29:17,169 --> 01:29:15,080
a lot of talk people like Sarfati story

2213
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:17,179
you tell the story of Jack Sarfati who

2214
01:29:22,270 --> 01:29:18,920
said that you know he I got the phone

2215
01:29:24,490 --> 01:29:22,280
call when he was you know 11 years old

2216
01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:24,500
or whatever that told him he was there

2217
01:29:29,229 --> 01:29:26,780
was a computer on a flying saucer and

2218
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:29,239
they picked him and 400 people and he's

2219
01:29:33,970 --> 01:29:32,690
you know he his mother tells him you

2220
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:33,980
didn't have one phone call you were on

2221
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:35,690
the phone all the time with this stupid

2222
01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:37,910
thing talking on the phone and then 20

2223
01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:39,380
years later they said we're gonna we're

2224
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:40,910
gonna link you up with the other people

2225
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:43,010
and 20 years later is exactly when he

2226
01:29:46,419 --> 01:29:43,880
meets uri geller

2227
01:29:48,669 --> 01:29:46,429
and goes Ingo Swann he'll put off

2228
01:29:50,979 --> 01:29:48,679
Russell Targ and he gets involved with

2229
01:29:52,660 --> 01:29:50,989
that whole crowd and you start get this

2230
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:52,670
idea that a lot of the stuff that you

2231
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:56,239
think people got by figuring it out no

2232
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,120
they didn't I mean piles and piles of of

2233
01:30:04,630 --> 01:30:02,480
stories of inventions and people getting

2234
01:30:06,130 --> 01:30:04,640
downloads or even even the free survey

2235
01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:06,140
and I always go back to the free sri cuz

2236
01:30:10,150 --> 01:30:07,910
it's a huge number of experience that

2237
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:10,160
filled this out 42% of

2238
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:12,410
experiencer say at one point during

2239
01:30:16,630 --> 01:30:15,110
their experience no no no I had 42% say

2240
01:30:18,370 --> 01:30:16,640
they got mathematical technical or

2241
01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:18,380
scientific material in their head that

2242
01:30:22,930 --> 01:30:20,510
they did not learn in school when free

2243
01:30:25,890 --> 01:30:22,940
first started they had a site they had a

2244
01:30:29,950 --> 01:30:25,900
physics committee there was there was a

2245
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:29,960
Edgar Mitchell there was Rudy shield

2246
01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:32,480
they had about four people on a physics

2247
01:30:36,970 --> 01:30:34,520
committee that we're looking at stuff

2248
01:30:39,190 --> 01:30:36,980
that experiencers were talking advanced

2249
01:30:40,810 --> 01:30:39,200
physics papers and I had a woman show me

2250
01:30:42,490 --> 01:30:40,820
one that was a secretary showed me on

2251
01:30:44,770 --> 01:30:42,500
her phone this paper that she's written

2252
01:30:46,420 --> 01:30:44,780
and she had no scientific background so

2253
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:46,430
you get that kind of stuff or that was

2254
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:47,690
the one that always blows me away you

2255
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:50,390
say all these anecdotal stories these

2256
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:51,890
people are making this stuff up these

2257
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:55,010
experiencers 40% of all experiences say

2258
01:30:58,750 --> 01:30:57,050
at one point during their experience

2259
01:31:01,630 --> 01:30:58,760
they knew the answer to everything in

2260
01:31:03,010 --> 01:31:01,640
the universe and you go like nobody's

2261
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:03,020
gonna make that out if you're gonna make

2262
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:04,550
up a story that's not something to put

2263
01:31:07,390 --> 01:31:06,050
in the story because it's the obvious

2264
01:31:09,370 --> 01:31:07,400
thing is well how do you know there was

2265
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:09,380
not you know number six seven eight on

2266
01:31:12,370 --> 01:31:10,490
the other side of the university they

2267
01:31:13,690 --> 01:31:12,380
forgot to tell you about and I have my

2268
01:31:15,340 --> 01:31:13,700
own download experience and I know what

2269
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:15,350
they'll say they'll say I don't really

2270
01:31:18,490 --> 01:31:17,090
know but I just know for sure because it

2271
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:18,500
comes with this absolute certainty when

2272
01:31:23,380 --> 01:31:20,210
you see these experiences who are

2273
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:23,390
getting this material I say you can give

2274
01:31:27,550 --> 01:31:24,890
them lie detectors you can do whatever

2275
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:27,560
you want but at least listen to these

2276
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:29,930
people they may have something that will

2277
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:32,330
actually advance things along maybe they

2278
01:31:35,650 --> 01:31:34,100
actually did get a download maybe

2279
01:31:37,630 --> 01:31:35,660
actually they did get some material and

2280
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:37,640
it's like 42 percent say they got

2281
01:31:41,530 --> 01:31:39,920
mathematical technical scientific

2282
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:41,540
material 40 percent say they had the

2283
01:31:44,740 --> 01:31:42,860
answer to everything in the university

2284
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:44,750
and during one point in their experience

2285
01:31:49,780 --> 01:31:47,450
I say that is a gold mine that has it's

2286
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:49,790
almost like hacking the the universe if

2287
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:51,410
you can hack into this if you can get

2288
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:52,850
some of this material these people have

2289
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:55,310
and as I said free had an actual physics

2290
01:31:59,260 --> 01:31:57,530
committee that was looking at this stuff

2291
01:32:00,970 --> 01:31:59,270
that these people were bringing out and

2292
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:00,980
the court and I talked to Ray about it

2293
01:32:04,510 --> 01:32:02,690
and he didn't give me the details

2294
01:32:06,460 --> 01:32:04,520
there's two real big papers one by a

2295
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:06,470
doctor and one by somebody else in

2296
01:32:10,030 --> 01:32:08,570
Florida and he said well they looked at

2297
01:32:11,470 --> 01:32:10,040
it and they really didn't know but it

2298
01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:11,480
wasn't crazy stuff they couldn't really

2299
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:13,340
determine whether it was useful or not

2300
01:32:16,780 --> 01:32:15,290
but it wasn't crazy stuff that people

2301
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:16,790
had made up it actually did make sense

2302
01:32:26,170 --> 01:32:23,410
I mean maybe there's something like an

2303
01:32:28,330 --> 01:32:26,180
Akashic record that people can tap into

2304
01:32:30,580 --> 01:32:28,340
that's kind of what I you know as a

2305
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:30,590
songwriter I'm a songwriter and we don't

2306
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:33,260
know where the songs come from so we

2307
01:32:37,870 --> 01:32:36,380
sort of have a presupposition that you

2308
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:37,880
know songs all seem to be written

2309
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:40,760
already and and and you know when you

2310
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:42,890
when you get a song oftentimes it is

2311
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:45,170
like a download and there seems to be

2312
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:47,090
like this perfect form of it and you

2313
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:49,310
will tool around with it work at it like

2314
01:32:54,850 --> 01:32:52,520
a sculpture will work on a sculpture but

2315
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:54,860
it's really what you're doing is as as

2316
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,690
they say you're chipping away everything

2317
01:33:01,120 --> 01:32:58,400
that doesn't look like a horse

2318
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:01,130
right and it's the same thing with with

2319
01:33:06,430 --> 01:33:03,290
songs and maybe that's the connection of

2320
01:33:08,530 --> 01:33:06,440
what you were talking about with with

2321
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:08,540
the right brain thing and being able to

2322
01:33:13,690 --> 01:33:11,120
shut the the left the left is the

2323
01:33:16,210 --> 01:33:13,700
skeptical side the side that says oh I

2324
01:33:18,610 --> 01:33:16,220
can't do this so I can't write like Bob

2325
01:33:21,340 --> 01:33:18,620
Dylan you know I you know Bob Dylan is

2326
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:21,350
Bob Dylan but you know Bob Dylan doesn't

2327
01:33:25,570 --> 01:33:23,030
really know where his gift and his songs

2328
01:33:26,860 --> 01:33:25,580
come from oh yeah 60 minutes actually

2329
01:33:29,290 --> 01:33:26,870
asked him where did blowing in the wind

2330
01:33:32,140 --> 01:33:29,300
come from anyway and I don't know from

2331
01:33:34,540 --> 01:33:32,150
that fear that field of creativity I

2332
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:34,550
guess and and you get that sort of stuff

2333
01:33:38,110 --> 01:33:35,600
and the other thing about the

2334
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,120
interesting about songwriters and and a

2335
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:40,400
lot of them get them in dreams and the

2336
01:33:43,630 --> 01:33:42,110
dream is completely unlike any other

2337
01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:43,640
dream so in your dream it's all symbolic

2338
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:45,710
is it doesn't make any sense as all this

2339
01:33:49,660 --> 01:33:48,170
weird stuff but when a songwriter talks

2340
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:49,670
about a song that comes in a dream

2341
01:33:54,130 --> 01:33:51,650
there's no weird stuff it's like they

2342
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:54,140
just basically it's clear as a bell and

2343
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:56,000
they can actually record it and I even

2344
01:33:59,950 --> 01:33:57,890
have the one story that I'm going to

2345
01:34:03,970 --> 01:33:59,960
tell in contact modalities and you can

2346
01:34:05,620 --> 01:34:03,980
listen to this on National Public Radio

2347
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:05,630
interviewed this guy this is a guy whose

2348
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:07,970
son dies at childbirth he buries this

2349
01:34:13,150 --> 01:34:10,880
and he gets this an entire symphony in

2350
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:13,160
his head he has no musical background he

2351
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:15,290
spends in 20 years learning to play a

2352
01:34:19,150 --> 01:34:17,570
guitar learning to recreate this thing

2353
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:19,160
and after 20 years the london

2354
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:20,750
philharmonic orchestra plays he has to

2355
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:23,090
gather a million pounds to have this

2356
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:24,890
thing produced and he had this song in

2357
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:27,110
his head for 20 years and you get those

2358
01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:29,090
kind of things and he would say very

2359
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:30,500
clearly you could see him working with a

2360
01:34:33,070 --> 01:34:31,910
guy he was working on when they were

2361
01:34:34,020 --> 01:34:33,080
scoring the thing and you say no it

2362
01:34:37,330 --> 01:34:34,030
doesn't

2363
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:37,340
annoying and he knew exactly every note

2364
01:34:40,689 --> 01:34:39,110
and he could remember those notes for 20

2365
01:34:42,370 --> 01:34:40,699
years and when you look at that that's

2366
01:34:44,410 --> 01:34:42,380
when you say this is where we can

2367
01:34:46,270 --> 01:34:44,420
discover stuff when you see these very

2368
01:34:48,220 --> 01:34:46,280
bizarre or like the salons I looked a

2369
01:34:49,839 --> 01:34:48,230
lot at savants guys who can do these

2370
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,849
calculations in their head that they

2371
01:34:52,810 --> 01:34:51,199
can't button their shirt but they can do

2372
01:34:54,939 --> 01:34:52,820
calculations or remember eight thousand

2373
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:54,949
songs or give you a 15 digit prime

2374
01:34:57,729 --> 01:34:56,719
number and stuff like that that's where

2375
01:34:59,919 --> 01:34:57,739
you look at these people and you start

2376
01:35:01,689 --> 01:34:59,929
to realize we can learn something from

2377
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:01,699
these people there's something going on

2378
01:35:05,169 --> 01:35:03,290
here that tells us that something that

2379
01:35:06,729 --> 01:35:05,179
we have right now that we believe is

2380
01:35:08,890 --> 01:35:06,739
wrong and if we can figure out what

2381
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:08,900
they're doing we can advance science and

2382
01:35:14,350 --> 01:35:11,510
the universe or just to jump in really

2383
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:14,360
quick grid I have seen I believe it was

2384
01:35:18,820 --> 01:35:16,510
on 60 minutes where they've actually

2385
01:35:20,979 --> 01:35:18,830
there are people out there who suffer

2386
01:35:22,990 --> 01:35:20,989
serious head injuries and develop

2387
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,000
extraordinary talents they didn't have

2388
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:25,280
before it's funny also maybe a little

2389
01:35:29,290 --> 01:35:27,530
bit of synchronicity or when you talked

2390
01:35:31,419 --> 01:35:29,300
about sculpting a horse I'm telling you

2391
01:35:33,129 --> 01:35:31,429
this guy took a lump of clay and turned

2392
01:35:34,689 --> 01:35:33,139
it into a reasonable facsimile of a

2393
01:35:37,930 --> 01:35:34,699
horse faster than I can crack my

2394
01:35:39,609 --> 01:35:37,940
knuckles I was impressed yeah yeah it

2395
01:35:41,290 --> 01:35:39,619
comes from that's a disassociation it

2396
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:41,300
comes from head injury or brain injury

2397
01:35:47,859 --> 01:35:45,670
or like dissociating through hypnosis or

2398
01:35:49,810 --> 01:35:47,869
psychedelics and stuff like that where

2399
01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:49,820
you sort of do it or you take Diane

2400
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,630
Hennessey Powell

2401
01:35:54,490 --> 01:35:52,880
if you've ever interviewed her she has

2402
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:54,500
these savant kids and she had the one

2403
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:57,110
girl Haley who she did the experiment

2404
01:36:01,209 --> 01:35:58,610
with the hit a hundred and sixty-two

2405
01:36:03,550 --> 01:36:01,219
numbers in a row writes telepathically

2406
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,560
and this girl was would flip out she

2407
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,840
couldn't talk she had to use a touch pad

2408
01:36:09,070 --> 01:36:07,760
she didn't that means that her left

2409
01:36:10,899 --> 01:36:09,080
brain was shut down she couldn't talk

2410
01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:10,909
she was totally but in terms of

2411
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:13,670
telepathy I mean there's a couple of

2412
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:17,090
these people around usually 10 or 10 or

2413
01:36:22,770 --> 01:36:19,730
11 year old kids and that when you start

2414
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:22,780
to teach them to do language the

2415
01:36:27,870 --> 01:36:25,130
telepathic ability goes away when you

2416
01:36:30,010 --> 01:36:27,880
start to re-engage the left brain and so

2417
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:30,020
that's where you can start to learn that

2418
01:36:33,339 --> 01:36:31,489
there are people who can do this

2419
01:36:34,959 --> 01:36:33,349
you are even 60 minutes had the one with

2420
01:36:36,850 --> 01:36:34,969
the memory people say all memory is not

2421
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:36,860
very good it's it's you get these people

2422
01:36:43,089 --> 01:36:39,110
it's called what's it called highly yeah

2423
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:43,099
I know yes where they could remember

2424
01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:45,590
every every event in their life from the

2425
01:36:47,169 --> 01:36:46,520
time they were 10 years old

2426
01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:47,179
exactly

2427
01:36:50,500 --> 01:36:49,369
on TV what happened on that day what day

2428
01:36:52,029 --> 01:36:50,510
of the week it was and stuff like that

2429
01:36:53,649 --> 01:36:52,039
and that happens with head injury as

2430
01:36:55,179 --> 01:36:53,659
well it's not just people who have this

2431
01:36:56,589 --> 01:36:55,189
sort of naturally is people who have

2432
01:36:59,020 --> 01:36:56,599
head injuries and they can suddenly tell

2433
01:37:01,000 --> 01:36:59,030
you everything so that shows you that

2434
01:37:03,339 --> 01:37:01,010
memory is perfect it's a it's like

2435
01:37:07,060 --> 01:37:03,349
everything else it's a matter of access

2436
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:07,070
it's a matter in turning things on there

2437
01:37:11,739 --> 01:37:09,650
is an individual regarding I'll address

2438
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:11,749
a few topics you just mentioned grant

2439
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:13,369
thank you for talking about all that

2440
01:37:18,339 --> 01:37:15,530
there's an individual that had a had

2441
01:37:20,589 --> 01:37:18,349
head injury what what happened I'll just

2442
01:37:23,370 --> 01:37:20,599
tell the anecdotal story he was at a bar

2443
01:37:26,949 --> 01:37:23,380
and for some reason he got targeted and

2444
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:26,959
then he got beat up outside his head hit

2445
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,689
some kind of surface like the asphalt or

2446
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,239
concrete of some kind he ended up at the

2447
01:37:37,359 --> 01:37:35,360
hospital and multiple people were you

2448
01:37:42,339 --> 01:37:37,369
know jumping him and then the end result

2449
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:42,349
was Jason Padgett he actually ended up

2450
01:37:49,330 --> 01:37:46,239
with he ended up becoming a math genius

2451
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:49,340
overnight he was able to actually draw

2452
01:37:53,379 --> 01:37:51,920
circles made up of increasingly many

2453
01:37:55,839 --> 01:37:53,389
triangles which he refers to as an

2454
01:37:57,969 --> 01:37:55,849
illustration I'll go ahead and include a

2455
01:38:00,609 --> 01:37:57,979
link regarding that in a moment but I

2456
01:38:02,049 --> 01:38:00,619
think it's fascinating because he

2457
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:02,059
actually is one of the few people on the

2458
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:03,650
planet that can draw a perfect circle

2459
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:07,670
now and that's based on the head injury

2460
01:38:11,620 --> 01:38:09,320
situation I also want to bring up

2461
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:11,630
something that will end up addressing a

2462
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,050
topic of children with interesting with

2463
01:38:19,359 --> 01:38:16,880
extraordinary abilities I think China

2464
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:19,369
did a study on that but I wanted to

2465
01:38:23,290 --> 01:38:21,110
start off first talking about an

2466
01:38:25,509 --> 01:38:23,300
individual that actually talks about the

2467
01:38:28,839 --> 01:38:25,519
possibility of teleportation his name is

2468
01:38:30,609 --> 01:38:28,849
dr. Eric Davis and he received his PhD

2469
01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:30,619
in astrophysics from the University of

2470
01:38:34,359 --> 01:38:32,630
Arizona in 91 his fields of

2471
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,369
specialization include spacecraft

2472
01:38:38,830 --> 01:38:35,840
exploration of the outer solar system

2473
01:38:41,739 --> 01:38:38,840
planetary sciences relativity theory and

2474
01:38:43,509 --> 01:38:41,749
cosmology space mission engineering NASA

2475
01:38:45,790 --> 01:38:43,519
breakthrough propulsion physics I'll

2476
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:45,800
include that link in a moment I wanted

2477
01:38:50,679 --> 01:38:48,650
to read a quote by him it says some

2478
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:50,689
researchers state that it is necessary

2479
01:38:56,109 --> 01:38:53,110
to invoke a new physics which somehow

2480
01:38:58,750 --> 01:38:56,119
unifies the human consciousness ie

2481
01:39:00,339 --> 01:38:58,760
physics of consciousness with quantum

2482
01:39:01,090 --> 01:39:00,349
and space-time physics in order to

2483
01:39:03,250 --> 01:39:01,100
understand

2484
01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:03,260
teleportation and related PK phenomena

2485
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:04,940
the researchers were amazed by the

2486
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,570
repeated results and were barely able to

2487
01:39:12,420 --> 01:39:10,400
fathom the altered state of being that

2488
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:12,430
test specimens underwent during

2489
01:39:19,150 --> 01:39:17,210
teleportation then he had another quote

2490
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:19,160
here wanted to read it became known to

2491
01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:21,290
myself along with several colleagues

2492
01:39:25,480 --> 01:39:23,120
both inside and outside of government

2493
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:25,490
that anomalous teleportation has been

2494
01:39:29,260 --> 01:39:27,170
scientifically investigated and

2495
01:39:31,900 --> 01:39:29,270
separately documented by the Department

2496
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:31,910
of Defense I wanted to go on to talk a

2497
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:33,890
little bit about a paper published in

2498
01:39:38,050 --> 01:39:35,450
the People's Republic of China in

2499
01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:38,060
September of 81 in the journals iran's

2500
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:41,270
aussie and the its nature journal titled

2501
01:39:45,070 --> 01:39:43,130
some experiments on the transfer of

2502
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:45,080
objects performed by unusual abilities

2503
01:39:49,060 --> 01:39:47,690
of the human body reported that gifted

2504
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,070
children are able to cause the

2505
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:50,960
teleportation of small physical objects

2506
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:52,970
from one place to another objects

2507
01:39:57,060 --> 01:39:54,710
included watches horse flies other

2508
01:39:59,500 --> 01:39:57,070
insects radio micro transmitters

2509
01:40:01,360 --> 01:39:59,510
photosensitive paper and more the

2510
01:40:03,220 --> 01:40:01,370
participants never touched the objects

2511
01:40:05,110 --> 01:40:03,230
before hand the experiments were done

2512
01:40:08,110 --> 01:40:05,120
under both blind and double-blind

2513
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:08,120
conditions and the researchers involved

2514
01:40:12,490 --> 01:40:10,550
came from various colleges and sectors

2515
01:40:14,350 --> 01:40:12,500
of the Department of Defense this is an

2516
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:14,360
exceptional case because it was deemed

2517
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,590
necessary that an unclassified

2518
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,600
intelligence information report be

2519
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:19,520
prepared for public viewing a more

2520
01:40:23,410 --> 01:40:21,710
research was done by the aerospace

2521
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:23,420
medicine engineering Institute in

2522
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:26,150
Beijing in July of 90 it was published

2523
01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:27,770
in the Chinese Journal of somatic

2524
01:40:32,020 --> 01:40:30,380
science this study reported several

2525
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:32,030
experiments involving high-speed

2526
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:36,290
photography videotaping high-speed

2527
01:40:40,420 --> 01:40:38,810
photography videotaping which was able

2528
01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:40,430
to capture the transfer of test

2529
01:40:44,980 --> 01:40:43,100
specimens like nuts matches nails pills

2530
01:40:47,470 --> 01:40:44,990
and more through the walls of sealed

2531
01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:47,480
paper envelopes sealed glass bottles and

2532
01:40:51,610 --> 01:40:50,030
tubes sealed plastic film canisters and

2533
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:51,620
more without the walls of any of these

2534
01:40:55,690 --> 01:40:53,570
containers being breached all of these

2535
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:55,700
experiments reported using gifted

2536
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:56,930
children and adults to cause a

2537
01:41:02,190 --> 01:40:59,000
teleportation of various materials I'm

2538
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:02,200
almost done I just want to stop

2539
01:41:06,910 --> 01:41:04,670
I just want to list off a few things

2540
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:06,920
I'll go as fast as I can different

2541
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:08,330
research groups design different

2542
01:41:12,700 --> 01:41:10,490
experimental methods using gifted

2543
01:41:14,930 --> 01:41:12,710
psychics different steel containers and

2544
01:41:17,390 --> 01:41:14,940
test specimens that were able to develop

2545
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,400
time required for teleportation of the

2546
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,960
test specimens through various barriers

2547
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:20,880
was anywhere from a fraction of a second

2548
01:41:23,629 --> 01:41:21,750
to several minutes

2549
01:41:27,620 --> 01:41:23,639
it didn't matter which best test

2550
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:27,630
specimen was used I'll just go on to the

2551
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:29,630
last part the high-speed photography

2552
01:41:33,979 --> 01:41:32,040
videotaping records test specimens

2553
01:41:35,899 --> 01:41:33,989
melding or blending with the walls of

2554
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:35,909
steel containers and then simply just

2555
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,590
appear from the inside of the container

2556
01:41:42,140 --> 01:41:39,840
only to reappear at another location

2557
01:41:45,979 --> 01:41:42,150
okay I had a question for everybody and

2558
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:45,989
that is if there are children and that

2559
01:41:51,020 --> 01:41:48,810
gifted that have the ability to never

2560
01:41:54,620 --> 01:41:51,030
touch objects before hand or touch them

2561
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:54,630
at all under double-blind conditions and

2562
01:41:59,840 --> 01:41:56,190
both blind and double-blind conditions

2563
01:42:01,580 --> 01:41:59,850
in a scientific experiment it is it

2564
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:01,590
possible that some of these items that

2565
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:03,690
are being teleported such as quarters

2566
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:10,650
fish frogs anything at all could

2567
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:13,050
possibly be from humans and not from

2568
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:17,850
aliens well I would that I would like to

2569
01:42:20,890 --> 01:42:19,110
see a little bit more I would like to

2570
01:42:23,419 --> 01:42:20,900
see some of that high-speed videotape

2571
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:23,429
you know I I'd obviously like to know a

2572
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:26,130
little bit more about it my guess is

2573
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:28,080
that we have well I know we have a

2574
01:42:33,979 --> 01:42:30,330
because we had urug yellow reel we've

2575
01:42:37,459 --> 01:42:33,989
tried that kind of thing here I would

2576
01:42:39,620 --> 01:42:37,469
say that I am really skeptical I would

2577
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,630
like to see that videotape I can make a

2578
01:42:43,490 --> 01:42:41,280
comment on that he'll put up I believe

2579
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,500
was watching those kids my friend Bob

2580
01:42:48,740 --> 01:42:45,360
emmenecker did UFOs past present future

2581
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:48,750
was actually going to go to China to

2582
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:51,330
investigate this story with his co

2583
01:42:55,820 --> 01:42:54,510
producer Bob Sandler and and Bob's wife

2584
01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:55,830
would let him go but they were gonna

2585
01:42:59,629 --> 01:42:57,540
actually go and reinvestigate this story

2586
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:59,639
and I'm hunter percent sure but I think

2587
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:01,739
he'll was one that put him onto this and

2588
01:43:06,740 --> 01:43:04,800
with some of these these reports and his

2589
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:06,750
I guess the CIA was watching these kids

2590
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:08,370
that's the one thing the other one is

2591
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:10,440
you mentioned uri geller i not your

2592
01:43:14,780 --> 01:43:12,449
gather Eric Davis you gotta remember the

2593
01:43:17,209 --> 01:43:14,790
Eric Davis had a very dramatic UFO

2594
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,219
sighting at his graduation when he was

2595
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:19,440
graduating with his PhD and that the

2596
01:43:21,979 --> 01:43:20,760
report was that when they were at

2597
01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:21,989
skinwalker ranch there was a lot of

2598
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:24,120
people like George Knapp and people like

2599
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:26,340
that john john alexander who didn't have

2600
01:43:28,729 --> 01:43:28,080
anything happen and a lot of the stuff

2601
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,739
was happening her

2602
01:43:33,799 --> 01:43:30,719
Eric Davis which gives gives you this

2603
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,809
whole idea that you may need an

2604
01:43:38,270 --> 01:43:35,820
experiencer to get the phenomena to

2605
01:43:39,529 --> 01:43:38,280
materialize and I know kick green has

2606
01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:39,539
been over there and I've done a little

2607
01:43:43,549 --> 01:43:41,249
bit of work with the Chinese in recent

2608
01:43:44,959 --> 01:43:43,559
years as well yeah and they would watch

2609
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:44,969
these kids that's the whole point is

2610
01:43:49,009 --> 01:43:46,920
that it may be black ops where they're

2611
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:49,019
watching him secretly but when that kind

2612
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:51,210
of stuff is gone you'd be crazy if you

2613
01:43:54,620 --> 01:43:52,980
were an intelligence agency if you

2614
01:43:56,540 --> 01:43:54,630
didn't go and try to investigate these

2615
01:43:58,549 --> 01:43:56,550
kids and figure out what is going on

2616
01:44:00,020 --> 01:43:58,559
because that's why we did remote viewing

2617
01:44:01,939 --> 01:44:00,030
the only reason we did remote viewing is

2618
01:44:03,919 --> 01:44:01,949
because we learned that the Russians

2619
01:44:05,629 --> 01:44:03,929
were doing it and we realized that you

2620
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:05,639
can be very skeptical and say I don't

2621
01:44:08,899 --> 01:44:07,170
believe this is going on but if you

2622
01:44:10,729 --> 01:44:08,909
happen to be wrong and the Russians are

2623
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:10,739
right and they get to technology it's

2624
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:12,300
game over whoever has this kind of

2625
01:44:15,649 --> 01:44:14,670
technology will rule the world and so it

2626
01:44:17,299 --> 01:44:15,659
doesn't really matter whether you

2627
01:44:19,609 --> 01:44:17,309
believe in the technology or not

2628
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,619
if somebody's claiming to have this kind

2629
01:44:30,290 --> 01:44:21,119
of stuff you have to investigate it you

2630
01:44:32,060 --> 01:44:30,300
have no choice true very well I wanted

2631
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,070
to bring up an interesting situation

2632
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:34,860
that occurred too early and that was he

2633
01:44:38,989 --> 01:44:36,210
had a teleportation incident that

2634
01:44:40,580 --> 01:44:38,999
occurred to him and we had the

2635
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:40,590
opportunity to actually interview him

2636
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,159
recently Frank and I did and it was a

2637
01:44:50,299 --> 01:44:47,280
fascinating story I guess he was on a

2638
01:44:52,339 --> 01:44:50,309
journey over actually he I think he was

2639
01:44:54,410 --> 01:44:52,349
just jogging and he ended up actually

2640
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:54,420
and Frank you'll have to tell me how to

2641
01:44:59,479 --> 01:44:57,300
pronounce believe he was just walking

2642
01:45:01,580 --> 01:44:59,489
around near his place in Manhattan and

2643
01:45:05,660 --> 01:45:01,590
he ended up I think it was like 35 miles

2644
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,670
away at the home of his sort of mentor

2645
01:45:09,620 --> 01:45:07,679
at least here in North America aundrea

2646
01:45:10,970 --> 01:45:09,630
Puharich thank you I didn't have a story

2647
01:45:13,339 --> 01:45:10,980
about that that I wanted to share with

2648
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:13,349
everybody and this is actually kind of a

2649
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:16,369
bombshell because I don't believe that

2650
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:19,050
hurry even knows about this I did

2651
01:45:23,089 --> 01:45:20,130
contact Yuri

2652
01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:23,099
by the way and to talk about this with

2653
01:45:27,649 --> 01:45:25,409
him and I actually did on short notice

2654
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:27,659
because as you know a funny way I just

2655
01:45:31,729 --> 01:45:29,730
wanted to mention I did reach out to him

2656
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:31,739
but I have not had the opportunity to

2657
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:33,119
hear back from him he's in a totally

2658
01:45:38,270 --> 01:45:36,210
different time zone so I got an email

2659
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:38,280
from somebody and they said while

2660
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:40,050
watching your you fond interview with

2661
01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:42,570
early he spoke of being taken

2662
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:44,460
from a New York City Street and transfer

2663
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:46,409
and transported to Frank and he

2664
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,210
pronounced his name I can't pronounce it

2665
01:45:52,490 --> 01:45:49,679
search yeah

2666
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:52,500
it's yes thank you his house many years

2667
01:45:57,740 --> 01:45:55,050
ago I was talking with an individual I

2668
01:46:00,200 --> 01:45:57,750
can't say who it was they do say who it

2669
01:46:03,530 --> 01:46:00,210
is in the email by the way she was at

2670
01:46:05,180 --> 01:46:03,540
Andrea's house sitting with others

2671
01:46:07,129 --> 01:46:05,190
outside on a patio covered with

2672
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:07,139
latticework and they had just been

2673
01:46:13,819 --> 01:46:11,250
talking by phone with Erie and has him

2674
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:13,829
to come visit them at Andrea's house

2675
01:46:18,740 --> 01:46:16,110
north of New York City in Austin New

2676
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:18,750
York suddenly he fell down through the

2677
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,719
overhead lattice work on the patio

2678
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:23,040
everyone was stunned as they believe

2679
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,570
they had been talking with him a short

2680
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:26,880
time before and believed him to be in

2681
01:46:31,129 --> 01:46:29,400
New York City at the time this is just a

2682
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:31,139
corroboration of his statement and dad

2683
01:46:37,250 --> 01:46:34,290
email came to me on 424 this year right

2684
01:46:39,410 --> 01:46:37,260
after the show let me tell you did you

2685
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:39,420
you I don't know if you asked him but

2686
01:46:45,950 --> 01:46:42,449
the the the egg story I mean I took a

2687
01:46:48,050 --> 01:46:45,960
lot of John Lennon's story yeah well and

2688
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:48,060
what happened after yes he did I took a

2689
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:49,800
lot of flack when I posted that as well

2690
01:46:52,700 --> 01:46:50,790
because there's a lot of people either

2691
01:46:55,459 --> 01:46:52,710
like you're you don't you like URI and

2692
01:46:57,410 --> 01:46:55,469
Astoria is that that that he was friends

2693
01:47:00,620 --> 01:46:57,420
with John Lennon and that John Lennon

2694
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,630
had a second sighting in which he's at

2695
01:47:05,149 --> 01:47:02,639
the second time he's with Yoko Ono he

2696
01:47:07,550 --> 01:47:05,159
tries to wake Yuko up it's this classic

2697
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:07,560
abductions story tries to wake her up he

2698
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,610
can't wake her up there's light coming

2699
01:47:12,169 --> 01:47:10,560
from under the door he goes he opens the

2700
01:47:13,939 --> 01:47:12,179
door and he's these he calls him effing

2701
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:13,949
bug people were standing there he tries

2702
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:15,360
to push them back and they sort of with

2703
01:47:18,919 --> 01:47:17,550
their mind they sort of move him back he

2704
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:18,929
wakes up in the morning he's on top of

2705
01:47:23,089 --> 01:47:21,570
the covers Yoko Ono's awake he's got

2706
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:23,099
this egg thing in his hand and a lot of

2707
01:47:27,979 --> 01:47:25,020
people who said oh he faked this thing

2708
01:47:29,540 --> 01:47:27,989
it's a magician's thing and he's making

2709
01:47:31,609 --> 01:47:29,550
this whole thing up so over the years

2710
01:47:34,010 --> 01:47:31,619
he's had this thing that he was given to

2711
01:47:35,839 --> 01:47:34,020
him by John Lennon that John Lennon met

2712
01:47:37,700 --> 01:47:35,849
him at a restaurant and said this may be

2713
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:37,710
my ticket to another planet but I don't

2714
01:47:41,209 --> 01:47:39,030
want it you can have it he gives it to

2715
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:41,219
Uri Geller and about a year later he's

2716
01:47:45,770 --> 01:47:43,560
assassinated so URIs had this thing with

2717
01:47:48,589 --> 01:47:45,780
him so my friend Sid Goldberg from

2718
01:47:50,180 --> 01:47:48,599
Gaia's over in Israel in he says what do

2719
01:47:52,189 --> 01:47:50,190
you want me to ask URI and I said well

2720
01:47:54,620 --> 01:47:52,199
ask him about the egg ask get him to

2721
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:54,630
show you the bronze egg so he asks URI

2722
01:48:00,370 --> 01:47:56,570
and URI says

2723
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:00,380
tomorrow and so he Sid takes a picture

2724
01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:03,170
of the him holding this this egg and he

2725
01:48:07,810 --> 01:48:05,030
sends it to me he says this is for you

2726
01:48:10,030 --> 01:48:07,820
so I sent an email back to Sid Goldberg

2727
01:48:11,410 --> 01:48:10,040
and I say good boy

2728
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:11,420
maybe this is your ticket to another

2729
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:14,960
planet and as this email is arriving in

2730
01:48:17,650 --> 01:48:17,090
Israel he's having dinner with Uri

2731
01:48:21,370 --> 01:48:17,660
Geller

2732
01:48:23,470 --> 01:48:21,380
am and this question about the egg and

2733
01:48:25,690 --> 01:48:23,480
all of her stuff and then he says oh

2734
01:48:27,820 --> 01:48:25,700
look he's an emails just come in from

2735
01:48:30,340 --> 01:48:27,830
Grant and he reads it and my email says

2736
01:48:32,290 --> 01:48:30,350
good boy he shows me this egg I says

2737
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:32,300
yeah good boy maybe it is your ticket to

2738
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:35,410
another planet and and then URI you're a

2739
01:48:40,630 --> 01:48:38,300
URI says oh good and then as that

2740
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:40,640
happens imagine starts to play on the

2741
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:42,590
radio in the restaurant and URI says

2742
01:48:46,090 --> 01:48:44,330
listen listen imagines playing in his

2743
01:48:48,010 --> 01:48:46,100
head he says look my hair standing up on

2744
01:48:49,810 --> 01:48:48,020
my arms and people say oh you're ISA

2745
01:48:52,150 --> 01:48:49,820
fake and I said well did he actually

2746
01:48:54,250 --> 01:48:52,160
fake the music - because that was

2747
01:48:55,480 --> 01:48:54,260
something where it's one thing when you

2748
01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:55,490
hear other people tell the story it's

2749
01:48:58,090 --> 01:48:56,840
another thing when it happens to you it

2750
01:49:00,490 --> 01:48:58,100
was pretty bizarre

2751
01:49:03,010 --> 01:49:00,500
okay so grant how do you feel about the

2752
01:49:04,270 --> 01:49:03,020
possibility just to backtrack regarding

2753
01:49:07,210 --> 01:49:04,280
my question which i think is completely

2754
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:07,220
valid that it may not necessarily be a

2755
01:49:11,820 --> 01:49:09,620
consciousness that is ET related but the

2756
01:49:14,410 --> 01:49:11,830
possibility of human related

2757
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:14,420
teleportation regarding objects that

2758
01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:18,110
people are witnessing is that a

2759
01:49:22,630 --> 01:49:19,960
possibility how do you feel about that

2760
01:49:24,340 --> 01:49:22,640
well it's always going to be internally

2761
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:24,350
there is only if you get into the whole

2762
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:27,110
you know oneness thing it's all one

2763
01:49:30,340 --> 01:49:28,910
thing it's all inside your head there's

2764
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:30,350
no out there out there everything that

2765
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:33,110
happens happens in your mind so yes it's

2766
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:34,910
like with the the ions experiment if you

2767
01:49:39,310 --> 01:49:36,230
saw the ions experiment where they're

2768
01:49:41,170 --> 01:49:39,320
doing the the the did double-slit

2769
01:49:45,130 --> 01:49:41,180
experiment where they're using people to

2770
01:49:47,860 --> 01:49:45,140
use their mind to interfere with the the

2771
01:49:50,830 --> 01:49:47,870
could the quantum wave and they get this

2772
01:49:53,290 --> 01:49:50,840
very direct sort of influence where

2773
01:49:54,730 --> 01:49:53,300
people can actually influence these you

2774
01:49:57,070 --> 01:49:54,740
know these quantum waves that are

2775
01:50:00,160 --> 01:49:57,080
turning into particles and the guy that

2776
01:50:03,070 --> 01:50:00,170
was the top guy was this yoga yoga guy

2777
01:50:05,950 --> 01:50:03,080
that that had really really high hit

2778
01:50:07,930 --> 01:50:05,960
race and he said to him he said are so

2779
01:50:09,129 --> 01:50:07,940
did you go into the other room with your

2780
01:50:11,290 --> 01:50:09,139
mind

2781
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:11,300
do that and he said no I just went

2782
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:13,010
within myself and that's the whole thing

2783
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:15,170
yeah it's all going to be mined it's all

2784
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:17,630
going to be us it's almost like John

2785
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:19,610
John Alexander said what if it's true

2786
01:50:23,169 --> 01:50:21,650
that they are us and we are them it's

2787
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:23,179
the whole idea that if it's all linked

2788
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,600
together

2789
01:50:26,979 --> 01:50:25,760
it's like telepathy it's not a signal

2790
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:26,989
that's going between one person and

2791
01:50:31,540 --> 01:50:29,510
another it's all one thing you're all in

2792
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:31,550
the same field and all you're doing is

2793
01:50:35,020 --> 01:50:33,110
going into the field and reading the

2794
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,030
field it's it's all one thing there is

2795
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:37,520
no there there is no separation I think

2796
01:50:40,330 --> 01:50:38,449
that's one of the main things I'm

2797
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:40,340
starting to believe now there's no

2798
01:50:43,689 --> 01:50:42,290
separation it's all one thing and when

2799
01:50:45,870 --> 01:50:43,699
you believe that that's the whole idea

2800
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:45,880
how do they get here it's all one thing

2801
01:50:50,590 --> 01:50:48,530
there is no real time in space and that

2802
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:50,600
quantum physics starts to show that that

2803
01:50:54,609 --> 01:50:53,360
that may be an illusion that it's all

2804
01:50:55,780 --> 01:50:54,619
one thing and that's how you can move

2805
01:50:57,609 --> 01:50:55,790
from one place to another you have to

2806
01:50:59,410 --> 01:50:57,619
understand this this principle of

2807
01:51:02,620 --> 01:50:59,420
oneness that it's all one thing so yes

2808
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,630
we are definitely influencing what's

2809
01:51:06,850 --> 01:51:04,400
happening around us and whether we're

2810
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,860
doing it or an outside force I still

2811
01:51:10,180 --> 01:51:08,000
think it's all going to be one thing

2812
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:10,190
it's all happening in the same feet how

2813
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:12,170
same feel all right thank you for your

2814
01:51:15,250 --> 01:51:13,340
answer we're gonna move on to something

2815
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:15,260
else but before I leave that topic I

2816
01:51:19,330 --> 01:51:17,750
just wanted to mention and that it kind

2817
01:51:21,580 --> 01:51:19,340
of sounds a little bit like that book

2818
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:21,590
the child physics to me regarding what

2819
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:22,400
you just said

2820
01:51:28,090 --> 01:51:25,489
and when excerpt from the Chou physics

2821
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:28,100
summarizes the author cappers motivation

2822
01:51:31,180 --> 01:51:29,360
for writing that book and that was

2823
01:51:33,609 --> 01:51:31,190
science does not need mysticism and

2824
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:33,619
mysticism does not need science but man

2825
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:36,050
needs both I'm not saying that what you

2826
01:51:40,930 --> 01:51:38,810
said is mysticism related all of it in

2827
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,940
its entirety but it does sound a little

2828
01:51:45,010 --> 01:51:43,040
bit similar to that book to me now

2829
01:51:50,970 --> 01:51:45,020
there's an interesting article and that

2830
01:51:54,669 --> 01:51:50,980
Paul Dean a researcher also a young gun

2831
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:54,679
wrote recently and he he gave me the

2832
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:55,820
information to go ahead and share with

2833
01:52:01,000 --> 01:51:59,360
us on the show and that is multi he

2834
01:52:04,180 --> 01:52:01,010
wrote at this in this manner he said

2835
01:52:06,189 --> 01:52:04,190
shock multi-sensor UFO tracking network

2836
01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:06,199
in Vietnam and here is the final

2837
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:09,080
bombshell these UFOs or whatever they

2838
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:11,690
were may have caused a missile strike on

2839
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:15,050
Australia's HMAS Hobart ship by the USAF

2840
01:52:22,510 --> 01:52:19,760
in 2016 Paul Dean stumbled onto numerous

2841
01:52:22,940 --> 01:52:22,520
Vietnam War era US Air Force US Marine

2842
01:52:28,190 --> 01:52:22,950
Corps

2843
01:52:31,410 --> 01:52:28,200
documents relating to the unidentifiable

2844
01:52:33,930 --> 01:52:31,420
helicopters phantom helicopters unknown

2845
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:33,940
objects unidentified flying objects and

2846
01:52:38,730 --> 01:52:36,850
UFOs importantly these airborne entities

2847
01:52:41,010 --> 01:52:38,740
were considered are treated as distinct

2848
01:52:43,260 --> 01:52:41,020
from mere enemy helicopters or enemy

2849
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:43,270
aircraft the records initially were

2850
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:46,060
mostly US army records like history and

2851
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:48,610
Clara law chronologies mission reports

2852
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:51,970
patrol logs briefs daily staff journals

2853
01:52:56,670 --> 01:52:53,910
and so-called lessons-learned

2854
01:52:59,850 --> 01:52:56,680
publications these gave way to much more

2855
01:53:02,400 --> 01:52:59,860
alarming to US Air Force records though

2856
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:02,410
as we shall see some of his first finds

2857
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:04,570
were still significant for example he

2858
01:53:11,010 --> 01:53:07,810
says he has the 23rd entry 23rd Infantry

2859
01:53:16,260 --> 01:53:11,020
Division daily journal entry dated the

2860
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,270
6th of January 1969 which says certain I

2861
01:53:21,690 --> 01:53:17,920
guess there's objects flying into their

2862
01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:21,700
area about seven hundred millimeter I'm

2863
01:53:25,950 --> 01:53:23,620
not sure what he means my M in front of

2864
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:25,960
them a Z 310 degrees

2865
01:53:30,270 --> 01:53:28,570
thank you meters yes Thanks this this

2866
01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:30,280
this email by the way there's no spaces

2867
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:32,790
in it so I have to separate the words

2868
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:35,410
objects came in slow over the ASP and

2869
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:38,410
landed when object moves it has a slow

2870
01:53:42,930 --> 01:53:40,930
it has a glowing light it is about 15 to

2871
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:42,940
20 feet across it is shaped like a big

2872
01:53:50,610 --> 01:53:47,530
egg control TWR reports their radar

2873
01:53:52,770 --> 01:53:50,620
thank you did not pick anything up

2874
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:52,780
object also does not seem to have any

2875
01:53:56,910 --> 01:53:55,450
sound to it when it moves now I could go

2876
01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:56,920
on and on because this is a very very

2877
01:54:01,410 --> 01:53:58,690
long report but I just wanted to read

2878
01:54:02,940 --> 01:54:01,420
another excerpt another document uh-huh

2879
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:02,950
although this is one to researchers

2880
01:54:07,620 --> 01:54:05,650
evolved wasn't my discovery namely a US

2881
01:54:10,860 --> 01:54:07,630
Army counterintelligence spot report

2882
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:10,870
sent from the 524 military intelligence

2883
01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:13,000
detachment Saigon States

2884
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:15,310
I observed five large illuminated

2885
01:54:19,110 --> 01:54:17,410
oval-shaped objects traveling in close

2886
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:19,120
formation at a very high rate of speed

2887
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:21,370
across the sky it was apparent that they

2888
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:23,530
were not any form of conventional

2889
01:54:27,450 --> 01:54:25,090
aircraft who did their size shape rate

2890
01:54:29,580 --> 01:54:27,460
of speed and the fact they made no noise

2891
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:29,590
audible to me prior to the sighting of

2892
01:54:32,970 --> 01:54:30,760
these objects I had been observing

2893
01:54:34,770 --> 01:54:32,980
conventional aircraft both propeller and

2894
01:54:36,779 --> 01:54:34,780
jet powered and there's no question in

2895
01:54:38,759 --> 01:54:36,789
my mind they were a great deal larger

2896
01:54:40,289 --> 01:54:38,769
any craft I had ever seen the sky what I

2897
01:54:42,539 --> 01:54:40,299
was going to ask my panels did you get

2898
01:54:45,209 --> 01:54:42,549
an opportunity to review that paper that

2899
01:54:50,669 --> 01:54:45,219
Paul Dean had presented to me to present

2900
01:54:52,799 --> 01:54:50,679
to you anyone I have not read it yeah

2901
01:54:59,219 --> 01:54:52,809
not yet I think you were talking to Paul

2902
01:55:03,239 --> 01:54:59,229
the other day just right - yeah but what

2903
01:55:05,159 --> 01:55:03,249
did you think about it before I've heard

2904
01:55:07,949 --> 01:55:05,169
about the phenomenon and I've actually

2905
01:55:12,329 --> 01:55:07,959
talked with the one gentleman who is at

2906
01:55:15,839 --> 01:55:12,339
the Tet Offensive he he he was a driver

2907
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:15,849
for generals during the Vietnam War so

2908
01:55:22,109 --> 01:55:19,689
he was but but he had heard about that

2909
01:55:24,359 --> 01:55:22,119
they called them North Vietnamese

2910
01:55:25,859 --> 01:55:24,369
helicopters and there was no such thing

2911
01:55:28,770 --> 01:55:25,869
the North Vietnamese did not have

2912
01:55:30,899 --> 01:55:28,780
helicopters but it was it was there were

2913
01:55:33,569 --> 01:55:30,909
a lot of sightings in Vietnam you have

2914
01:55:34,859 --> 01:55:33,579
to wonder why yeah there's gonna be a

2915
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:34,869
link I think to the military I think

2916
01:55:38,969 --> 01:55:37,449
they're not too happy with what's going

2917
01:55:40,889 --> 01:55:38,979
on with military I'll give you an

2918
01:55:42,029 --> 01:55:40,899
example of one of weird story happened

2919
01:55:44,489 --> 01:55:42,039
to me

2920
01:55:48,839 --> 01:55:44,499
it's a Japanese reporter her name is

2921
01:55:51,389 --> 01:55:48,849
escaping me now she get allowed me to

2922
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:51,399
use a photograph in one of my books this

2923
01:55:59,599 --> 01:55:55,199
happened to a marine who went into

2924
01:56:03,089 --> 01:55:59,609
Nagasaki Marine Guide days after the

2925
01:56:06,449 --> 01:56:03,099
bomb there and was basically

2926
01:56:09,209 --> 01:56:06,459
photographing the damage and it was

2927
01:56:10,559 --> 01:56:09,219
until 1997 they're going through his

2928
01:56:12,299 --> 01:56:10,569
photographs and she's looking at these

2929
01:56:14,459 --> 01:56:12,309
photographs and sees all these UFOs in

2930
01:56:16,139 --> 01:56:14,469
the photograph so I got one of the

2931
01:56:18,809 --> 01:56:16,149
better ones and I put it in my book and

2932
01:56:20,069 --> 01:56:18,819
he the agreement he had was he they

2933
01:56:23,039 --> 01:56:20,079
weren't allowed to use it till he died I

2934
01:56:26,069 --> 01:56:23,049
think he died in 2000 and 2001 but you

2935
01:56:28,739 --> 01:56:26,079
have this clear as day in the daylight

2936
01:56:30,329 --> 01:56:28,749
this UFO right over Nagasaki a couple

2937
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:30,339
days after the the detonation of the

2938
01:56:34,500 --> 01:56:32,649
bomb so I think they would be watching

2939
01:56:36,719 --> 01:56:34,510
this kind of stuff because if it's a

2940
01:56:39,209 --> 01:56:36,729
oneness universe it's like if you got

2941
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,219
your little 50 feet along the river and

2942
01:56:43,469 --> 01:56:41,199
you're dumping your toxin in the river

2943
01:56:46,529 --> 01:56:43,479
it affects everybody else and that these

2944
01:56:48,569 --> 01:56:46,539
it seems like they're the modern UFO

2945
01:56:50,399 --> 01:56:48,579
here there may be in UFOs but there were

2946
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:50,409
there was no UFOs like starting in

2947
01:56:55,110 --> 01:56:53,199
when we detonated the atomic bomb and I

2948
01:56:56,490 --> 01:56:55,120
think that's a big part of what this is

2949
01:56:59,100 --> 01:56:56,500
all about even with the Academy

2950
01:57:01,050 --> 01:56:59,110
relations we look at David David Perkins

2951
01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:01,060
who is one of the top caliber Malaysian

2952
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:03,449
guys he said if you take a look at the

2953
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:07,360
the cancer rates in the western United

2954
01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:10,090
States the the high areas and you take a

2955
01:57:13,770 --> 01:57:12,070
look at the calculation areas they fit

2956
01:57:16,110 --> 01:57:13,780
like I go up one on top of another and

2957
01:57:17,550 --> 01:57:16,120
he says all calculations according to

2958
01:57:20,430 --> 01:57:17,560
him were happening downwind and

2959
01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:20,440
downstream from nuclear activities so

2960
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,360
you have these connections that would

2961
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:24,880
link them in with the nuclear silos and

2962
01:57:28,919 --> 01:57:26,560
stuff and I had a woman that actually

2963
01:57:31,229 --> 01:57:28,929
took me to a silo in North Dakota that's

2964
01:57:33,810 --> 01:57:31,239
still operational and told me quite

2965
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:33,820
clearly her and two other girls saw this

2966
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:34,960
thing and she said it came out of that

2967
01:57:38,129 --> 01:57:36,880
metal thing and I said are you sure yeah

2968
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:38,139
came out of the metal thing and it was

2969
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:41,050
you know it was swirling and here's a

2970
01:57:44,250 --> 01:57:42,610
girl who was able to pick things and

2971
01:57:46,379 --> 01:57:44,260
experience her and stuff she was

2972
01:57:48,540 --> 01:57:46,389
whatever this weathers is when it

2973
01:57:51,090 --> 01:57:48,550
started but you have a very direct

2974
01:57:52,890 --> 01:57:51,100
connection to nuclear weapons almost

2975
01:57:55,379 --> 01:57:52,900
like we're about to contaminate the

2976
01:57:57,959 --> 01:57:55,389
universe and they're here the kids got

2977
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:57,969
the matches and even the Canadian

2978
01:58:00,990 --> 01:57:59,440
government talked about this the fact

2979
01:58:03,570 --> 01:58:01,000
that they were very upset about the

2980
01:58:04,860 --> 01:58:03,580
nuclear situation and that the only time

2981
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:04,870
they would ever step in is if there was

2982
01:58:08,189 --> 01:58:06,610
a nuclear exchange otherwise they would

2983
01:58:13,110 --> 01:58:08,199
allow the human race to stew in its own

2984
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:13,120
juices thank you for that information

2985
01:58:16,830 --> 01:58:15,040
grant I just want to let everybody know

2986
01:58:19,290 --> 01:58:16,840
that if they want to read more about

2987
01:58:20,939 --> 01:58:19,300
that I just included the links to the

2988
01:58:23,610 --> 01:58:20,949
information regarding Paul Dean's

2989
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:23,620
research he is a great researcher I

2990
01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:26,050
think his website is UFOs documenting

2991
01:58:29,879 --> 01:58:27,310
the evidence you can just go in the

2992
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:29,889
chatroom and see it right there I really

2993
01:58:33,660 --> 01:58:31,690
appreciate everybody having come on the

2994
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,670
panel today just want to know if anybody

2995
01:58:38,430 --> 01:58:35,520
has any last things to say at all

2996
01:58:44,580 --> 01:58:38,440
regarding the show today I had a great

2997
01:58:48,930 --> 01:58:44,590
time wonderful yeah awesome stuff

2998
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:48,940
honored you'd be part of useful I'm

2999
01:58:54,990 --> 01:58:53,530
really glad that we don't agree it just

3000
01:58:56,610 --> 01:58:55,000
makes it so much better I think somebody

3001
01:58:57,870 --> 01:58:56,620
was very politely saying earlier that

3002
01:59:00,450 --> 01:58:57,880
they noticed that there was a

3003
01:59:02,939 --> 01:59:00,460
disagreement between grant and rich I

3004
01:59:04,140 --> 01:59:02,949
hope there is not just because I'm not

3005
01:59:07,229 --> 01:59:04,150
saying like the particular

3006
01:59:09,870 --> 01:59:07,239
people I mean that anybody on art our

3007
01:59:12,479 --> 01:59:09,880
panels I hope they do disagree because

3008
01:59:14,970 --> 01:59:12,489
it adds to a lively debate and we want

3009
01:59:16,590 --> 01:59:14,980
to hear everybody's perspectives and I

3010
01:59:18,630 --> 01:59:16,600
don't think anybody won at a debate

3011
01:59:20,370 --> 01:59:18,640
today I don't think it was about that I

3012
01:59:21,870 --> 01:59:20,380
think it was just about everybody having

3013
01:59:23,850 --> 01:59:21,880
the opportunity to share what they

3014
01:59:27,390 --> 01:59:23,860
thought about the topics that we cover

3015
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:27,400
today grant also wanted to thank you

3016
01:59:30,479 --> 01:59:29,170
very much for taking the time been very

3017
01:59:32,399 --> 01:59:30,489
generous with your time I know you're

3018
01:59:35,090 --> 01:59:32,409
extremely busy everybody else is

3019
01:59:38,010 --> 01:59:35,100
extremely busy with their research and

3020
01:59:40,439 --> 01:59:38,020
everything they're involved in and also

3021
01:59:42,419 --> 01:59:40,449
wanted to give information about a

3022
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:42,429
really wonderful individual who was on

3023
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:45,250
the show with us didn't get to say very

3024
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:48,250
much but that is Michael Hall he's also

3025
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:51,250
known as a paranormal lawyer and he has

3026
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:53,050
a wonderful background he found and

3027
01:59:58,770 --> 01:59:57,010
directed the UFO eye team and that is an

3028
02:00:00,540 --> 01:59:58,780
experienced group of highly educated UFO

3029
02:00:02,130 --> 02:00:00,550
paranormal and field investigators who

3030
02:00:04,740 --> 02:00:02,140
traveled to anomalous hotspots around

3031
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:04,750
the world by plane train bus and local

3032
02:00:08,490 --> 02:00:07,090
ride-sharing services to investigate UFO

3033
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:08,500
Bigfoot ghosts and other strange

3034
02:00:14,250 --> 02:00:11,530
paranormal activity and he's just a

3035
02:00:16,290 --> 02:00:14,260
wonderful person all around and also

3036
02:00:18,689 --> 02:00:16,300
wanted to let everybody know a little

3037
02:00:20,700 --> 02:00:18,699
bit about dr. irina scott she has

3038
02:00:22,530 --> 02:00:20,710
wonderful book out there Irena can you

3039
02:00:28,610 --> 02:00:22,540
please let us know the latest book that

3040
02:00:33,090 --> 02:00:31,050
you still with us I don't know if she

3041
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:33,100
still I can say it for us it is sacred

3042
02:00:36,810 --> 02:00:35,290
quarters secrets behind the real project

3043
02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:36,820
Bluebook wright-patterson Air Force Base

3044
02:00:42,209 --> 02:00:39,520
Roswell Battelle memory metal metal dr.

3045
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:42,219
J Allen Hynek and UFO cover-ups and UFOs

3046
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:44,560
today those are two different books dr.

3047
02:00:49,380 --> 02:00:47,920
J Allen Hynek and UFO cover-ups and UFOs

3048
02:00:51,630 --> 02:00:49,390
today is the second book I just

3049
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:51,640
mentioned there we had rich Hoffman on

3050
02:00:55,830 --> 02:00:53,530
today at the SCU the sites of a

3051
02:01:05,580 --> 02:00:55,840
coalition of UF ology a really fantastic

3052
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:05,590
person who's great at debate I think the

3053
02:01:11,190 --> 02:01:07,690
world of what grants doing I mean I

3054
02:01:14,459 --> 02:01:11,200
respect him as what he's doing so I mean

3055
02:01:15,870 --> 02:01:14,469
if there's a like we're not calendar to

3056
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:15,880
each other it's just like we just have

3057
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:17,410
different opinions about certain things

3058
02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:19,330
so I respect we will need this so we

3059
02:01:24,030 --> 02:01:21,280
need this we need to bring individual

3060
02:01:27,450 --> 02:01:24,040
skills and do our own thing and come

3061
02:01:29,310 --> 02:01:27,460
together and shoot the breeze and this

3062
02:01:33,180 --> 02:01:29,320
is what the field needs a lot more often

3063
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:33,190
yeah it's it is about arguing you know

3064
02:01:36,570 --> 02:01:34,810
different perspectives and stuff like

3065
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:36,580
that and and I think we need to do more

3066
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:37,930
of that I agree with you I think

3067
02:01:43,020 --> 02:01:39,760
collaboration is very important and

3068
02:01:44,970 --> 02:01:43,030
discussion is important and and what's

3069
02:01:47,550 --> 02:01:44,980
sad for me is to not see that it's being

3070
02:01:49,020 --> 02:01:47,560
done civilly I mean meaning that you get

3071
02:01:51,090 --> 02:01:49,030
a lot of people that just are really

3072
02:01:53,580 --> 02:01:51,100
really negative about others and stuff

3073
02:01:55,229 --> 02:01:53,590
and that's sad for me individually

3074
02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:55,239
because I think we can all have our

3075
02:01:58,740 --> 02:01:57,250
opinions and and look at our

3076
02:02:00,630 --> 02:01:58,750
perspectives and gain something from

3077
02:02:04,290 --> 02:02:00,640
that opinion and there are

3078
02:02:06,630 --> 02:02:04,300
investigations so it gets a little soap

3079
02:02:10,140 --> 02:02:06,640
opera sometimes and you have to deal

3080
02:02:13,620 --> 02:02:10,150
with it and hopefully move on yeah I

3081
02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:13,630
mean thank you very much and I also

3082
02:02:16,410 --> 02:02:15,070
wanted to mention Earl Grey who's the

3083
02:02:18,420 --> 02:02:16,420
chief investigator for the Southern

3084
02:02:21,090 --> 02:02:18,430
California Chapter of move on I also

3085
02:02:24,930 --> 02:02:21,100
wanted to say earlier that Earl is

3086
02:02:26,070 --> 02:02:24,940
involved in music and Earl can you give

3087
02:02:29,850 --> 02:02:26,080
us a little bit of background on that

3088
02:02:31,890 --> 02:02:29,860
music just a tiny little burr of it sure

3089
02:02:35,010 --> 02:02:31,900
well I've been that that was my first

3090
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:35,020
passion in life really I started playing

3091
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:37,840
guitar when I was 12 years old I

3092
02:02:41,250 --> 02:02:39,280
couldn't really play other people's

3093
02:02:42,930 --> 02:02:41,260
songs at first so I had to

3094
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:42,940
right my own and that's how I became

3095
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:45,730
songwriter and hecka fine aware songs

3096
02:02:50,670 --> 02:02:47,890
come from you know they come from the

3097
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:50,680
same place that you know I guess they

3098
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:53,410
kind of teleport to us they probably

3099
02:02:58,530 --> 02:02:55,480
already existed that's the way it always

3100
02:03:01,680 --> 02:02:58,540
feels I mean and I've been doing this

3101
02:03:03,690 --> 02:03:01,690
for many years I do have three CDs out

3102
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:03,700
there you can listen to me on Spotify I

3103
02:03:09,660 --> 02:03:06,490
was half of the duo the acoustic duo

3104
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:09,670
Piper gray we have an album called

3105
02:03:14,970 --> 02:03:13,090
apples that I'm very proud of and I do a

3106
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:14,980
lot of studio work for other people and

3107
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:18,610
and my wife and I do harmony vocals have

3108
02:03:23,610 --> 02:03:20,050
done harmony vocals for a lot of

3109
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:23,620
different people's CDs and and yeah i

3110
02:03:28,380 --> 02:03:26,080
keeps me busy that's for sure between

3111
02:03:32,130 --> 02:03:28,390
that and ufos there's not a lot of time

3112
02:03:34,170 --> 02:03:32,140
left fantastic and also we had wonderful

3113
02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:34,180
shane hurt on today who's a field

3114
02:03:40,110 --> 02:03:38,590
investigator for phoenix MUFON and also

3115
02:03:42,540 --> 02:03:40,120
wanted to mention my co-host Frank

3116
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:42,550
stalter and Frank can you just tell a

3117
02:03:47,250 --> 02:03:44,170
little bit about yourself regarding your

3118
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:47,260
biography just a short blip on how you

3119
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:48,910
connected with you apology and what

3120
02:03:52,830 --> 02:03:50,410
you've done regarding that your research

3121
02:03:54,620 --> 02:03:52,840
yeah well I've got the you the website

3122
02:03:58,050 --> 02:03:54,630
that's where it all started got

3123
02:04:00,330 --> 02:03:58,060
seriously interested actively publicly

3124
02:04:02,930 --> 02:04:00,340
that's when I sort of became a public

3125
02:04:05,940 --> 02:04:02,940
figure in terms of UFOs and that was

3126
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:05,950
roughly your roughly ten years ago so

3127
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:08,410
roughly a decade I just really got into

3128
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:09,610
it and thought I'd take a closer look

3129
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:12,610
after a appearance by Edgar Mitchell at

3130
02:04:16,830 --> 02:04:14,410
the National Press Club that's what got

3131
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:16,840
me starting to look and found stuff out

3132
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:18,370
and stayed with it the rest of the way

3133
02:04:23,310 --> 02:04:20,710
great thank you we also had Jeff Crouse

3134
02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:23,320
on earlier and he had to leave us a

3135
02:04:27,150 --> 02:04:25,480
little early but it was wonderful having

3136
02:04:29,100 --> 02:04:27,160
him on today he's the state director for

3137
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:29,110
the firm MUFON for Southern California

3138
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:31,090
so really appreciate everybody's time

3139
02:04:36,030 --> 02:04:33,010
and I hope everybody has a wonderful

3140
02:04:38,430 --> 02:04:36,040
rest of their weekend thank you for